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[Robz888]

although this game is going so well for scum that makes me suspect Galzria more... paranoia mode.

Galzria is absolutely scum beyond any rational doubt. Far more likely than Jimm, although there's almost no world where Jimm isn't scum. I guess Insomniac for third since I still trust Eevee.

[Robz888]

Seriously, look back. He's around, he's involved, and he's voting for Insomniac. Who no one else is voting for and isn't even an option. I say it's scummy, and then he kills Dsell.

He's like absolutely scumbuddies with Ins (who it was safe to vote for) and Jimm.

[Galzria]

Galz is the scum. I called him out for sticking a vote on Insomniac (which was the same as voting for no one at that point) and he responds b y casting the pivotal vote on Dsell, who is now town.

Scum team is: Galzria, Jimm... and someone.

That's such a BS argument.

I was on Insomniac, who was my biggest scum read next to Jimmmm. I wasn't on Dsell earlier because I didn't want him at L-1, or to hammer, when I had hope of getting Jimmm lynched instead. I hadn't voted Jimmm because I wanted to talk to Ashersky first and he was gone most the day.

[Robz888]

Galz is the scum. I called him out for sticking a vote on Insomniac (which was the same as voting for no one at that point) and he responds b y casting the pivotal vote on Dsell, who is now town.

Scum team is: Galzria, Jimm... and someone.

That's such a BS argument.

I was on Insomniac, who was my biggest scum read next to Jimmmm. I wasn't on Dsell earlier because I didn't want him at L-1, or to hammer, when I had hope of getting Jimmm lynched instead. I hadn't voted Jimmm because I wanted to talk to Ashersky first and he was gone most the day.

You wanted Jimm or Insomniac, and yet you got Dsell killed. Interesting.

[Eevee]

Lonand behold, I'm inclined to side with Robz here.

[Robz888]

Well, I gotta take a break for a bit. See y'all later.

[Galzria]

Seriously, look back. He's around, he's involved, and he's voting for Insomniac. Who no one else is voting for and isn't even an option. I say it's scummy, and then he kills Dsell.

He's like absolutely scumbuddies with Ins (who it was safe to vote for) and Jimm.

Yeah... Sure, your post had DO MUCH to do with my vote. You know the one... It came 23 seconds after your post. Guess what? It's hard to get a post in from my mobile when every time I hit post it has to load the page, and if there's a new post, I have to hit post again. And then again. And then again.

But no, it's completely rationale that I made my vote, based of your post, and posted it in 23 seconds.

[Galzria]

Galz is the scum. I called him out for sticking a vote on Insomniac (which was the same as voting for no one at that point) and he responds b y casting the pivotal vote on Dsell, who is now town.

Scum team is: Galzria, Jimm... and someone.

That's such a BS argument.

I was on Insomniac, who was my biggest scum read next to Jimmmm. I wasn't on Dsell earlier because I didn't want him at L-1, or to hammer, when I had hope of getting Jimmm lynched instead. I hadn't voted Jimmm because I wanted to talk to Ashersky first and he was gone most the day.

You wanted Jimm or Insomniac, and yet you got Dsell killed. Interesting.

Right, because I had never indicated I thought Dsell had a decent chance at being scum:

I actually agree with Dsell about Jimmm. It's just I think he might be bussing. I see three scum teams as being likely:

Jimmm/Dsell/Insom

Jimmm/Dsell/Robz

Jimmm/Robz/Insom

I don't at all think Eevee is scum. I could be wrong, but he would be my "bet the game" candidate (which IC's ATE SUPPOSED TO ASK ABOUT WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?? ?? ?? ??)

Galz you've been saying the Jimmm lynch is better this whole time, why are you suddenly ready to hammer me?

Because it takes 5 to lynch.

There are 5 town.

It takes all town to lynch if nobody is bussing.

I know 2 town are on you and won't move.

To effectively lynch Jimmmm, either I'M wrong, or scum would need to bus.

Scum won't bus Jimm if you're town and can be lynched.

My voting Jimmm would be useless, and you're still in 2 of the 3 scum pairs that I see as likely.

[Jimmmmm]

I am so lost by this game. I know the scum team is a subset of {Galz, Robz, Eevee, Insom} but I really have no idea which one of them could be Town. And I think the possibility of the Masons plus the last VT all voting for someone other than me both today and tomorrow, while of course being laughed at from all sides by scum is approximately 0%.

[Galzria]

Lonand behold, I'm inclined to side with Robz here.

Go figure. Oooh, wait, NOW I remember why I cast my vote for Dsell over Jimmm in the end:

But.... F***!!!

Damnit, if TWO TOWN ARE VOTING DSELL, AND JIMM HAS 3, THEN THERE IS SCUM ON JIMMM'S WAGON!

GRRRRRRR

I want to vote Jimmmm. Am I being WIFOM'd? I can't vote with scum over my IC's, that's retarded.

Grrrr again.

It was because there HAD to be scum on Jimmmm's wagon, but both IC's were on Dsell. But Dsell was town, which means.....

[Eevee]

So now I'm scum too?

[Galzria]

So now I'm scum too?

Sure means that one of you is.

[Jimmmmm]

I want the Masons and the other VT to carefully consider why you think I'm scum. Go back and look at the conversation. If you are really willing to bet the game that only scum me would not remember or check the details of wagons, then so be it. Just don't automatically think that because a Townie blew up at me over it and I voted for him back because really who wouldn't makes me scum.

[Eevee]

Revolution!! That spat makes it all but certain Robz and Galzria can't BOTH be scum, correct? So by just lynching Ins and Jimmm, we winnnn? Right? Robz, Galzria, IC's, comments on that?

[Jimmmmm]

Seems like a great way to make it seem that way I guess.

[Eevee]

Doesn't look like that fight is staged at all. Now all I need to do is convince IC's to go along with this plan. :/

I almost feel like voting for either Jimmmm or Ins and have the lack of a quickhammer to be a proof of them being scum. Could that be a useful tool for town ever? Consider this situation: I'm VT, think I know how we can win this but fear IC's won't trust me..

[ashersky]

Final Day 1 Vote Count 1.12


Dsell (4) - Destierro, Ashersky, Jimmmmm, Galzria
Eevee (1) - Insomniac
Jimmm (3) - Dsell, Robz888, Eevee

Not voting:

Please stand by

Okay, haven't re-read yet, will.

Here's what we have to think about. 

I think we have to give Insom a pass and hope he is at worst the third scum member.  The reason for this is he pulled an IRL emergency reason for going V/LA, and I want to respect that.  If he faked that to lurk as scum, well that's horrible, horrible sportsmanship, and we'll just have to take note of it in the future.  I refuse to assume the worst.

So, the task becomes finding two scum in this subset:

Jimmmmm, Galzria, Eevee, Robz888

Thoughts on each right now:

Jimmmmm -- WAY TOO EASY to lynch right now.  But, with scum knowing we were on the wrong wagon with Dsell, they can afford to kill a team member.  Seemed scummy as the day was winding down, but survived.  That's a Jimmmmm scum-talent.

Galzria -- I gave him a huge amount of town cred in the beginning.  I'm questioning myself, especially after misreading Dsell.  Robz makes some strong points on him.  That could easily be teammate bussing to ensure super-town cred going into D3 to lead town after one mason is vengekilled.

Robz -- What I just said about Galzria, but flipped.

Eevee -- Scummy read for his interactions with Dsell on D1.  Now that we know Dsell is town...I don't know what to make of it.  He definitely seemed townier by the end of the D1.  Probably my least likely lynch at this point, which doesn't jive with my feelings on D1, but what to do?


TLDR -- Scum played an epic D1, and that means at least one of Robz or Galz is scum, most likely with a strong plan to lynch a teammate on D2.

I lean toward Robz as scum based on him picking on "team" from Dsell's post on D1 as a scum!tell.  That was a pure scum move.


PPE--Eevee, that fight could very easily be staged.  Think about who we're talking about.

[Galzria]

Let's pause a moment and look at the totality of this quote box:

Galz is the scum. I called him out for sticking a vote on Insomniac (which was the same as voting for no one at that point) and he responds b y casting the pivotal vote on Dsell, who is now town.

Scum team is: Galzria, Jimm... and someone.

That's such a BS argument.

I was on Insomniac, who was my biggest scum read next to Jimmmm. I wasn't on Dsell earlier because I didn't want him at L-1, or to hammer, when I had hope of getting Jimmm lynched instead. I hadn't voted Jimmm because I wanted to talk to Ashersky first and he was gone most the day.

You wanted Jimm or Insomniac, and yet you got Dsell killed. Interesting.

In Box #1, I'm criticized and called scum for being on Insomniac, instead of making a choice between Dsell/Jimmmm.

In Box #3, I'm criticized and called scum for switching my vote OFF of Insomniac, whom I had a bigger scum read on.

.... Really? I'm scummy for voting my scum reads, even if they aren't viable lynches, but I'm also scummy for leaving my biggest scum read for a viable lynch?

Furthermore, I'm doubly scummy and obvscum for choosing to side with the side that had my two IC's, instead of the side that I KNEW had scum on it?

Well damned if I do, damned if I don't. You're all sorts of eager to go for the kill here now aren't you?

[Eevee]

It's obvious Insomniac didn't pull the VLA as an excuse the lurk. Not even worth considering.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm -- WAY TOO EASY to lynch right now.  But, with scum knowing we were on the wrong wagon with Dsell, they can afford to kill a team member.  Seemed scummy as the day was winding down, but survived.  That's a Jimmmmm scum-talent.

Haha good point. If I was scum I'd probably have a post in the QT saying something like, "How come whenever I'm scum I can't survive to day 2 without becoming obvscum?"

[Eevee]

Galzria and Robz, thoughts on the plan of lynching Ins and Jimmm in whatever order?

[Galzria]

Galzria and Robz, thoughts on the plan of lynching Ins and Jimmm in whatever order?

No. If one is town, we lose. I would've bet the game on you yesterday. Not today.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Vote Count 2.1


Not voting: Insomniac, Ashersky, Robz888, Galzria, Jimmm, Eevee, Destierro

With 7 alive, it takes 4 for a majority lynch to occur.  However, this is blitz mafia, and a plurality at the deadline WILL result in a lynch.  If a tie exists at the deadline, the Hidden Democracy mechanism will be implemented.

Deadline is tomorrow, Friday, Dec. 21, at 8:00 pm forum time.

[Galzria]

I thought it was the apocalypse beginning......excuse me now i have some explaining to do to my neighbour....

I may die when the world ends tomorrow, but you'll still be scum.

[ashersky]

So after re-reading, if Galz is scum, Eevee is town. 

Robz is now my top scum!read, based on, well, everything.  His reads, his votes, his hedges on D1.  Don't like it.  Not town!Robz that we all know and love.

I'm good with voting there when needed.  Other thoughts?