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Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« on: December 07, 2012, 03:51:32 pm »
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http://dominionsetgenerator.com/

I got a bit frustrated that a purely uniformly-random set generator sometimes makes sets that aren't fun.  This is a set generator that, by default, generates "fun and balanced" sets.  And if you don't like that you can customize it in lots of different ways.

I highly welcome feedback or any offers to help (especially if you want to help make it look snazzy and cool!).
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 03:52:59 pm »
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Looks awesome!  Except, I got a card titled "NHguild" ;-)
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 04:00:57 pm »
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When I select that I don't own an expansion and/or click "avoid" cards from that expansion, I still get cards from that set.
Ex: I select that I don't own cornucopia, it still generates horn of plenty in the kingdom.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 04:01:59 pm »
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BEguild ($4)
CBguild ($5)
CVguild ($5)
DNguild ($2)
EPguild ($3)
GPguild ($3)
HVguild ($5)
IFguild ($4)
NHguild ($5)
NJguild ($2)
TPguild ($5)
UWguild ($4)
UYguild ($4)

Sorry, couldn't resist.  ;D

EDIT: Added costs.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 04:31:13 pm by LastFootnote »
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 04:04:43 pm »
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BEguild
CBguild
CVguild
DNguild
EPguild
GPguild
HVguild
IFguild
NHguild
NJguild
TPguild
UWguild
UYguild

Sorry, couldn't resist.  ;D

First Guilds spoiler ! Awesome !   ;D
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 04:13:02 pm »
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Cool! Looks very complicated... Is there a Glossary or something? I don't know what Chippers, Antisplitters, Mutators, etc. are. They sound quite awesome though :)
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 04:34:18 pm »
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Cool! Looks very complicated... Is there a Glossary or something? I don't know what Chippers, Antisplitters, Mutators, etc. are. They sound quite awesome though :)

http://dominionsetgenerator.com/explanations.txt

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Chainer: Gives at least +1 Action
Cantrip: Gives at least +1 Card +1 Action
Splitter: Gives at least +2 Actions
Multiplier: Gives actions when combined with the right cards
Terminus: Decreases Actions played
Cumulative: Cards that are useful when played in quantity
Antisplitter: Cards that don't benefit from Splitters (i.e., Splitters and non-Cumulative Terminuses)

Buyer: Gives at least +1 Buy
Gainer: Gains an extra card into deck
Coinage: Amount of money given (actions only)
Discounter: Makes cards cheaper

Carddrawer: Number of cards hand size increases when played (Cantrips = 1, averaged)
Selftrasher: Number of cards that one's deck can shrink by (on average)
Mutator: Changes cards in deck without increasing deck size
Discardcasher: Turns discards to money

Attack: Does bad things to opponents
Blocker: Nullifies or slows some attacks
Giver: Increases opponent's deck size (e.g., by giving curses)
Trasher: Trashes other players' cards
Helper: Non-attacks that may give opponent a benefit or decision
Shrinker: Makes opponents have a smaller hand
Grower: Restores some effect against shrinking attacks

Scouter: Allows some control over composition of top of deck (# of cards)
Topdecker: Allows some control over composition of next hand

Selfmiller: May cause own cards to be discarded without a chance of being able to play them
Miller: May cause other players to discard cards without a chance of being able to play them
Spier: Mills with tactical decisions
Speeder: Goes through own deck faster
Slower: Causes other players to go through their deck slower

Interactive: Attack * 2 + Helper + (1 if Victory)
Improver: Cards that get better closer to game end
Variance: The "luck" factor of the effects of having this card --
 0 -- has no luck at all (e.g., cantrips)
 1 -- has a bit of luck (e.g., drawing actions with no actions left)
 2 -- needs to be paired with rather common cards, or like 1 but more variance
 3 -- needs to be paired with uncommon cards
 4 -- variance in this card can be game-deciding
Chooser: Player gets decisions when playing the card
 0 -- no decisions
 1 -- trivial or inconsequential decisions
 2 -- often obvious but occasionally interesting
 3 -- interesting decisions

Deckchanger: a Buyer, Gainer, or \Selftrasher (i.e., anything that
 allows deck size to change by more than +0/+1 cards a turn)
Medichainer: a medium-cost chainer
Brancher: Splitter or Multiplier (i.e., anything that helps you play
 multiple Terminuses).
Antiterminus: Treasure, Chainer, Discardcasher, or Mutator (i.e., anything that
 won't really clash if you have multiple ones in your deck)
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 04:41:12 pm »
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^Ah. Should of clicked on that... :P Didn't occur to me that "notes" could include definitions of the terms...
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 04:43:02 pm by HiveMindEmulator »
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 04:42:25 pm »
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I would suggest using more common parlance.  e.g. instead of "splitter", say "village".  Or "non-terminal" instead of "chainer".
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 04:46:39 pm »
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I would suggest using more common parlance.  e.g. instead of "splitter", say "village".  Or "non-terminal" instead of "chainer".

I think these are terms that the playtesters used (as opposed to the ones we came up with independently).
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 04:50:46 pm »
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HMM

"Play on Goko Internal Test Machine (Goko employees only)"

link has things like param=Border Village... in it....Why Cant I play with Hinterlands :(
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 04:57:27 pm »
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When I select that I don't own an expansion and/or click "avoid" cards from that expansion, I still get cards from that set.
Ex: I select that I don't own cornucopia, it still generates horn of plenty in the kingdom.

Oops, that's a pretty severe bug that was caused when I tried to make something more
user-friendly.  Working on it now.  EDIT: Fixed.

Donald, sorry for giving people a little peek at Guilds :)
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 05:14:52 pm by onigame »
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 05:15:59 pm »
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^Ah. Should of clicked on that... :P Didn't occur to me that "notes" could include definitions of the terms...

Also, you may be able to mouseOver the terms to see the explanations.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 05:36:21 pm »
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Thanks for sharing this!! I am very interested in how people choose "interesting" kingdoms!
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 05:38:12 pm »
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I would suggest using more common parlance.  e.g. instead of "splitter", say "village".  Or "non-terminal" instead of "chainer".

I think these are terms that the playtesters used (as opposed to the ones we came up with independently).

Huh.  Neat!
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2012, 05:39:30 pm »
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I read the notes but I still don't get how the algorithm works or how it determines "interesting" kingdoms... can anyone explain in small words in English what the basic idea of the code is?
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2012, 06:24:41 pm »
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Thanks for the quick bug fix!

I would echo the previous idea that the terms should be renamed to the standard dominionstrategy.com names.
(e.g., splitteró>village, giveró>junker)

Also, it would be nice if the settings that I used before were still there the next time I used the randomizer, or it at least remembered which sets I own.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 06:35:14 pm »
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By default it seems to have 1 or 2 villages per set, which I'm not sure I like.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 07:04:40 pm »
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By default it seems to have 1 or 2 villages per set, which I'm not sure I like.
Agreed. I tried Base-only and it has either Throne Room, Festival, or Village.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 07:45:15 pm »
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By default it seems to have 1 or 2 villages per set, which I'm not sure I like.

as someone who prefers full random i agree. but if a person is using a tool like this they are likely trying to create an 'interesting' board, typically one with some sort of viable engine. and in that case, a village is usually going to be a helpful card.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2012, 07:57:10 pm »
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I haven't tested to see if a village is always included, but I'd personally like the default to not always select such kingdoms. Some interesting games have no villages in them (usually a few cantrips or non-terminals at least though)
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2012, 08:00:25 pm »
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By default it seems to have 1 or 2 villages per set, which I'm not sure I like.

as someone who prefers full random i agree. but if a person is using a tool like this they are likely trying to create an 'interesting' board, typically one with some sort of viable engine. and in that case, a village is usually going to be a helpful card.

I strongly disagree with the implication that a board needs an engine to be interesting. Most of my favorite cards thrive in the absence of a viable engine.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2012, 08:01:16 pm »
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It doesn't always generate sets with a village.  It generated this one, for example.  Obviously, it would be wonderful if there was actually an "interesting set" and a "boring set" feedback mechanism built into goko so this could get feedback.

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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2012, 08:35:05 pm »
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Um, is this actually being built into Goko? Please say no.
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Re: Announcing Dominion Set Generator
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2012, 08:39:04 pm »
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I strongly disagree with the implication that a board needs an engine to be interesting. Most of my favorite cards thrive in the absence of a viable engine.

you are just nitpicking here mate. obviously there will still be some boards without engines that are still going to be interesting. and if you prefer boards without engines well hey that's your opinion. but if other people were of that same mentality then would just play full random and take what they got. if they are going out of their way to use this sort of tool, they are most likely looking for some sort of board with interesting engine options.

i'm not sitting here trying to make any bold statement on which board is best. i'm just explaining the rationale for why people using this tool might prefer to see these types of cards.
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