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[GendoIkari]

So, not all tokens anymore? Just the debt tokens?

Yes, that's what I'm saying, just Debt tokens.

So happy about this! Though I understand the awkwardness of referencing a mechanic from a different set. Is this rule change official as of a particular date? Need to make sure I get my Possession-Monument engine going at just the right time.

Pedantry time! Technically, "tokens" are from different sets already. There are no tokens at all in Alchemy.

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens it’s a word people know, even if they don’t know what tokens it’s talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think it’s the best way.

[Donald X.]

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens it’s a word people know, even if they don’t know what tokens it’s talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think it’s the best way.

There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

[GendoIkari]

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens it’s a word people know, even if they don’t know what tokens it’s talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think it’s the best way.

There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?

[LastFootnote]

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens it’s a word people know, even if they don’t know what tokens it’s talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think it’s the best way.

There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?

I’m pretty certain that’s correct, at least in English.

[GendoIkari]

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens it’s a word people know, even if they don’t know what tokens it’s talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think it’s the best way.

There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?

I’m pretty certain that’s correct, at least in English.

Well there you go, Dominion now has its equivalent of Magic's "Substance" keyword.

[Donald X.]

Well there you go, Dominion now has its equivalent of Magic's "Substance" keyword.

Magic has endlessly had cards with errata that were never printed with it... because expansions for Magic don't stay in print. What's special about Substance is that it was such a weird solution to the problem they had.

[werothegreat]

Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition? 

[Kevin K]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

[Scoobie]

Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition?

I have bought all but Adventures (and Alchemy, of course) as second editions on Amazon. I didn’t  know about the upcoming second editions when I bought Adventures.

[Tombolo]

What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?

[Jeebus]

What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?

That's a very good point for descrbing why I don't like Black Market. I think all other deck builders are worse than Dominion (of the ones I've tried), and the rotating supply, which is common as you say, is one of the things that make them worse.

[Donald X.]

Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition?

I don't have any better way of finding out than you do.

[Donald X.]

What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?

It's like sitting on a porch swing in a breeze. It's like when you're walking down the street, and you see your imaginary friend, and it's been so long, you almost don't recognize them. It's like the right angle that takes you into another dimension. It's like a grapefruit, but a little sweeter, and weird-looking.

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?

In my initial notes for Dominion, I gave it a rotating supply. When it came time to make the game, I thought, wouldn't you just endlessly be screwed because good cards came up when you didn't have first shot at them? So I didn't do that.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/996671/secret-history-dominion

I have not put in the work to know what I'd do if I tried to make a version of Dominion with a rotating supply. There's no special draw towards trying it, because man, it's been done. The big things you get are 1) you need way fewer cards, and 2) it gives you a more tactical rather than strategic game, which could be something you wanted.

[werothegreat]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

[Kevin K]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

[Fuu]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.

[GendoIkari]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.

I really wish I didn't have Adventures already; I'd be so happy to get 2nd edition just for the fixed card bendiness issue.

[werothegreat]

I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.

So I ordered Adventures from Amazon (along with a couple other sets), and it doesn't say "first edition of Intrigue" on the back.  What does your 2nd edition copy say on the back?  The other three I got (Hinterlands, Prosperity, Dark Ages) all seem to be 2nd edition.

[LastFootnote]

You’ve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has “first edition of Intrigue”.

[werothegreat]

You’ve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has “first edition of Intrigue”.

Alright, I'll be returning that, then.  Need to figure out how to do that.

[Fuu]

You’ve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has “first edition of Intrigue”.

Alright, I'll be returning that, then.  Need to figure out how to do that.

I did check mine and it says "or the first edition ...".

Good luck returning it - I'm not sure if you'll be able to cite it being a first edition as a reason for the return, unless it was actually falsely advertised as being second edition (I couldn't see anything on Amazon that mentioned the edition details). You might be better off just returning it as a normal return.

Another thing you might consider is that first editions might be collectors' items - the first edition of Guilds standalone is on Amazon for about $80 if I recall, and the first print of Guilds/Cornucopia was about $200. You could hang onto it and it might appreciate in value. I'm not sure if the card quality issue that people have been talking about in first edition Adventures would be a problem with that though. Something to consider perhaps.

[Dingan]

The fanciness (size, whatever) of the castles in the Castle art is supposed to be indicative of the card's price, right? If so, have you ever had someone unfamiliar to them to sort them by fanciness without knowing their price, and if so was it close to their price order? Were castle arts ever swapped during development?

[Donald X.]

The fanciness (size, whatever) of the castles in the Castle art is supposed to be indicative of the card's price, right? If so, have you ever had someone unfamiliar to them to sort them by fanciness without knowing their price, and if so was it close to their price order? Were castle arts ever swapped during development?

Yes there's this idea that the more expensive castles are grander in whatever ways. No I have not had that experience, no no arts were swapped.

[Tombolo]

If you had the opportunity (or requirement) to create a reskin or variant of Dominion based on an existing IP, what IP would you want to use?

[Donald X.]

If you had the opportunity (or requirement) to create a reskin or variant of Dominion based on an existing IP, what IP would you want to use?

We were approached some years ago by FFG with the idea of making a Star Wars version of Dominion. Either a new game, or just a reskin.

I did some research. My two sources of information were Amazon and BGG. For Star Wars themed games based on an existing game, the existing game sold way better - people buy way more Operation than they do Star Wars Operation (it's R2-D2, so that's cute). For new games, Star Wars didn't look like it applied any kind of magic to sales; there were tons of complete duds with the Star Wars theme. One that stands out: the Wizards of the Coast TCG. Made by people who might know something and everything, with a team of people working on it, and plenty of promotion. No sale.

At the same time, the rights holders expect to be paid a lot for the rights. In this case it was even worse, since FFG wasn't the ultimate rights-holder for either thing and yet of course needed their share of the take. So the deal just looked awful. It would have needed to be crazy successful, selling many times what Dominion was, to be worth doing, and there was just no reason to believe it would do anything like that.

So we said no and so much for that. This was all before the new movies were announced. Star Wars had gone from being "those three movies people remember fondly even though one of them actually sucked" to being "That endless parade of awfulness." The new movies... just make it some random sci-fi IP, like Star Trek is now. But I digress.

Your question!
- If no-one is approaching us with an offer, I have no special interest in pursuing an IP. I'm happy just having Dominion. If I make a spin-off, I'm happy making up flavor for it.
- If someone approaches us with an offer, we'll consider it, but given what I already know, I'm not optimistic. I wouldn't rule out any IP that didn't just suck, though of course some things would sound better than others. Listing the good ones is beyond the scope, I mean it's an endless task of thinking of entertainment I've enjoyed. We could list thousands of things and not get to say Lizard Music, and yet, Lizard Music, I wouldn't just rule that out.
- If I had to pick an IP to use, I was always struck by how much Dominion fans admired the prototype images that came from The Princess Bride. But like, there was a point where I was interacting with the company that I knew had those rights, and I didn't say, hey, what about...