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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4200 on: March 20, 2018, 07:40:22 pm »
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And familiar, people get it immediately.

Good for them - it usually takes me at least a few shuffles.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4201 on: March 20, 2018, 08:46:13 pm »
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So, not all tokens anymore? Just the debt tokens?
Yes, that's what I'm saying, just Debt tokens.

So happy about this! Though I understand the awkwardness of referencing a mechanic from a different set. Is this rule change official as of a particular date? Need to make sure I get my Possession-Monument engine going at just the right time.

Pedantry time! Technically, "tokens" are from different sets already. There are no tokens at all in Alchemy.

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« Reply #4202 on: March 20, 2018, 11:23:27 pm »
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So, not all tokens anymore? Just the debt tokens?
Yes, that's what I'm saying, just Debt tokens.

So happy about this! Though I understand the awkwardness of referencing a mechanic from a different set. Is this rule change official as of a particular date? Need to make sure I get my Possession-Monument engine going at just the right time.

Pedantry time! Technically, "tokens" are from different sets already. There are no tokens at all in Alchemy.

Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens itís a word people know, even if they donít know what tokens itís talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think itís the best way.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4203 on: March 20, 2018, 11:58:26 pm »
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Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens itís a word people know, even if they donít know what tokens itís talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think itís the best way.
There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.
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« Reply #4204 on: March 21, 2018, 09:10:53 am »
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Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens itís a word people know, even if they donít know what tokens itís talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think itís the best way.
There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?
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« Reply #4205 on: March 21, 2018, 09:42:38 am »
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Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens itís a word people know, even if they donít know what tokens itís talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think itís the best way.
There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?

Iím pretty certain thatís correct, at least in English.
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« Reply #4206 on: March 21, 2018, 10:34:10 am »
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Yeah, I guess both versions had that issue over the original. But at least with tokens itís a word people know, even if they donít know what tokens itís talking about. Some people might see the debt icon and have no idea what it means. But I still think itís the best way.
There is at least a rulebook to tell you that it's a thing from Empires.

So the version with "tokens" never existed physically, correct?

Iím pretty certain thatís correct, at least in English.

Well there you go, Dominion now has its equivalent of Magic's "Substance" keyword.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4207 on: March 21, 2018, 04:57:36 pm »
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Well there you go, Dominion now has its equivalent of Magic's "Substance" keyword.
Magic has endlessly had cards with errata that were never printed with it... because expansions for Magic don't stay in print. What's special about Substance is that it was such a weird solution to the problem they had.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4208 on: March 23, 2018, 02:42:10 pm »
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Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition? 
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« Reply #4209 on: March 23, 2018, 03:08:53 pm »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4210 on: March 23, 2018, 03:36:00 pm »
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Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition?

I have bought all but Adventures (and Alchemy, of course) as second editions on Amazon. I didnít  know about the upcoming second editions when I bought Adventures.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4211 on: March 23, 2018, 05:36:29 pm »
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What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4212 on: March 23, 2018, 05:44:34 pm »
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What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?

That's a very good point for descrbing why I don't like Black Market. I think all other deck builders are worse than Dominion (of the ones I've tried), and the rotating supply, which is common as you say, is one of the things that make them worse.

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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4213 on: March 23, 2018, 06:31:20 pm »
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Are all the sets on Amazon (except Alchemy) now 2nd edition?
I don't have any better way of finding out than you do.
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« Reply #4214 on: March 23, 2018, 06:36:56 pm »
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What does it feel like inspiring a whole genre of games at varying levels of rip-offy-ness?
It's like sitting on a porch swing in a breeze. It's like when you're walking down the street, and you see your imaginary friend, and it's been so long, you almost don't recognize them. It's like the right angle that takes you into another dimension. It's like a grapefruit, but a little sweeter, and weird-looking.

How do you feel about the idea of rotating supplies?  I get the sense that most Dominion players frown upon it, but Black Market is my favorite card, and that design choice seems to be common in other deckbuilders.  What would you change if you were gonna re-work Dominion into a more "black markety" format, and do you think that would make the game inherently worse (or better)?
In my initial notes for Dominion, I gave it a rotating supply. When it came time to make the game, I thought, wouldn't you just endlessly be screwed because good cards came up when you didn't have first shot at them? So I didn't do that.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/996671/secret-history-dominion

I have not put in the work to know what I'd do if I tried to make a version of Dominion with a rotating supply. There's no special draw towards trying it, because man, it's been done. The big things you get are 1) you need way fewer cards, and 2) it gives you a more tactical rather than strategic game, which could be something you wanted.
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Re: Interview with Donald X.
« Reply #4215 on: March 24, 2018, 12:47:13 am »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.
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« Reply #4216 on: March 24, 2018, 08:43:11 am »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
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« Reply #4217 on: March 24, 2018, 05:59:02 pm »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.
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« Reply #4218 on: March 24, 2018, 09:05:04 pm »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.

I really wish I didn't have Adventures already; I'd be so happy to get 2nd edition just for the fixed card bendiness issue.
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« Reply #4219 on: March 26, 2018, 06:35:45 pm »
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I have bought all of them except for Nocturne, Guild/Corn and Alchemy on Amazon, all are 2nd edition.
I got several from candcgames through Amazon, they were good.

KK

Including Adventures?  I was looking at picking up Hinterlands and Adventures off Amazon, since they appear to be on sale currently, along with Guilds/Corn.

Yes Adventures is second edition, I only started playing last summer.  I only have second editions.  Adventures I bought from candcgames through Amazon.
Kevin

I also just recently got my copy of Adventures on Amazon (I'd rather go to a local store but none had it), on sale, and it is 2nd edition.

So I ordered Adventures from Amazon (along with a couple other sets), and it doesn't say "first edition of Intrigue" on the back.  What does your 2nd edition copy say on the back?  The other three I got (Hinterlands, Prosperity, Dark Ages) all seem to be 2nd edition.
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« Reply #4220 on: March 26, 2018, 07:37:29 pm »
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Youíve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has ďfirst edition of IntrigueĒ.
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« Reply #4221 on: March 26, 2018, 08:04:29 pm »
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Youíve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has ďfirst edition of IntrigueĒ.

Alright, I'll be returning that, then.  Need to figure out how to do that.
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« Reply #4222 on: March 27, 2018, 09:38:40 am »
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Youíve got a first edition, wero. My (non-Amazon) second edition copy has ďfirst edition of IntrigueĒ.

Alright, I'll be returning that, then.  Need to figure out how to do that.

I did check mine and it says "or the first edition ...".

Good luck returning it - I'm not sure if you'll be able to cite it being a first edition as a reason for the return, unless it was actually falsely advertised as being second edition (I couldn't see anything on Amazon that mentioned the edition details). You might be better off just returning it as a normal return.

Another thing you might consider is that first editions might be collectors' items - the first edition of Guilds standalone is on Amazon for about $80 if I recall, and the first print of Guilds/Cornucopia was about $200. You could hang onto it and it might appreciate in value. I'm not sure if the card quality issue that people have been talking about in first edition Adventures would be a problem with that though. Something to consider perhaps.
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« Reply #4223 on: March 29, 2018, 04:15:13 pm »
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The fanciness (size, whatever) of the castles in the Castle art is supposed to be indicative of the card's price, right? If so, have you ever had someone unfamiliar to them to sort them by fanciness without knowing their price, and if so was it close to their price order? Were castle arts ever swapped during development?
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« Reply #4224 on: March 30, 2018, 05:05:31 am »
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The fanciness (size, whatever) of the castles in the Castle art is supposed to be indicative of the card's price, right? If so, have you ever had someone unfamiliar to them to sort them by fanciness without knowing their price, and if so was it close to their price order? Were castle arts ever swapped during development?
Yes there's this idea that the more expensive castles are grander in whatever ways. No I have not had that experience, no no arts were swapped.
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