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[dondon151]

Y'all are cool people. +1 to you. In my mind.

Unfortunately the RB sprites on PokemonDB don't have transparent backgrounds, so I can't put in what I want.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Okay, everyone post here so that he can +1 us with his finger. Using his mind.

[qmech]

This seems as good a thread as any to derail with the question "are there any past or present online Pokemon battlers on here?"  I can believe that there could be some overlap with Dominion, which seems to be backed up by hints I've seen here and there.  I spent a lot of time on the RSBots on IRC when they were a thing, but never got into the later generations.  I now occasionally play randbats on Showdown, but can never be bothered to work out a sensible team.

EDIT: I am surprised and delighted that this happens to be my post 386!

[dondon151]

This seems as good a thread as any to derail with the question "are there any past or present online Pokemon battlers on here?"  I can believe that there could be some overlap with Dominion, which seems to be backed up by hints I've seen here and there.  I spent a lot of time on the RSBots on IRC when they were a thing, but never got into the later generations.  I now occasionally play randbats on Showdown, but can never be bothered to work out a sensible team.

I played on NetBattle in gen 3!

Bulbapedia has transparent background RB sprites! Tentacruel is the best.

[Drab Emordnilap]

I played on NetBattle in gen 3!

Me too! Medicham/Blissey/Skarmory/Dusclops/Ludicolo/someone else... It's been so long. Man, Ludicolo was the coolest dude ever. Also, Medicham was fun. Adamant Choice Band Fake Out/Shadow Ball/Rock Slide/Focus Punch. 720 attack Focus Punches killed everything, and Fake Out did 75% to Jolteon and Ninjask. So slow and fragile, but so much fun.

[Galzria]

How did I miss this thread? Hmmm...

BITE

[dondon151]

I just remember that gen 3 was rather stall-oriented if you could play well. Skarmory, Blissey, Dusclops, Claydol, Celebi, Suicune, and Snorlax were all super difficult to break through, even if you had good wallbreakers like Tyraniboah. I think my crowning achievement in that generation was defeating imperfectluck in a tournament match that went to 180 turns.

[Davio]

I've never actively played Pokémon. I mean, I dabbled with it as I tried out different games for my Nintendo DS.
I can understand why people like it though and adding a cute sprite myself just shows my sympathy.

So, here's to you, trainers! 

[Drab Emordnilap]

I think my crowning achievement in that generation was defeating imperfectluck in a tournament match that went to 180 turns.

You must share the log.

[dondon151]

Sadly the log is long, long gone. I didn't even play that match on my own computer.

[qmech]

I've put the last team I use in my sig: Venusaur, Skarmory, Blissey, Suicune, Metagross and Salamence.  It did well for a long time, but was not really up to scratch by the time I stopped playing.  The event moves that have come out since then have probably made it even more unsound, but it's probably where I'd start if I went back to it.

I don't think I've ever run a Boah.  Perhaps my favourite thing that isn't in the team is McGar (Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt/Substitute/Focus Punch).

At one time an article I wrote was the number one hit on Google for Suicune.

[Robz888]

I liked the show.

[dondon151]

I liked the show.

"Liked" the show?

[Robz888]

I liked the show.

"Liked" the show?

Yeah! I can't claim to be its number one fan, as I never saw much beyond the league games, but those first few seasons of badge collecting in Kanto.... great stuff.

[jsh357]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

[Robz888]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

 

[Archetype]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

 

Yeah! Legend of Zelda is terrible!

oh hey Robz.

[Galzria]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

 

Yeah! Legend of Zelda is terrible!

oh hey Robz.

My girlfriend of.... 4 years ago was a huge Zelda fan. Swore up and down that the Zelda franchise was better than the Final Fantasy franchise. I had to break up with her.

[werothegreat]

I liked the show.

The show was cute when I was kid.  Now it's goddamn annoying and Ash needs to die in a fire.  The games are pure awesome though.  Black & White may have produced the trash bag Pokemon, but it also produced Scolipede.  That'll do, Nintendo.  That'll do.

[() | (_) ^/]

I liked the show.

The show was cute when I was kid.  Now it's goddamn annoying and Ash needs to die in a fire.  The games are pure awesome though.  Black & White may have produced the trash bag Pokemon, but it also produced Scolipede.  That'll do, Nintendo.  That'll do.

+1 for reference to Babe.  Nostalgia'd hard.

[Robz888]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

 

Yeah! Legend of Zelda is terrible!

oh hey Robz.

My girlfriend of.... 4 years ago was a huge Zelda fan. Swore up and down that the Zelda franchise was better than the Final Fantasy franchise. I had to break up with her.

Then you're going to have to break up with me too, Galzria, because the Zelda franchise is certainly better than the Final Fantasy franchise.

It's tough even to compare the two, though, because Final Fantasy tells unique, contained stories, whereas Zelda games are part of narrative continuum. There are some very strong individual Final Fantasy games (IX is my personal favorite), but the series doesn't have the same resonance. Also, it's more recent games (XIII, especially) were missteps.

Zelda continues to improve over time, though it churns out a weaker game now and then (like Twilight Princess). Majora's Mask is gaming perfection.

[Galzria]

Was obsessed back in 96-98 when it was fresh.  Had all three of the original versions of the game, then just got one of the future ones. 

I watched all of the Kanto and Orange Islands anime, but got sick of it during Johto when every episode had "You did a good job, we're such good friends Pikachu" moments.  The show entirely lost what little edge it had.

Read some of Pokemon Adventures (the manga).  It's pretty good.

I collected cards, and had the entire Base-Fossil sets.  Lost interest around the time the Neo expansion came. 

I started playing online in IRC during the 2nd Gen era, played on Netbattle, just a little on shoddy and haven't done much since, though I occasionally read Smogon and laugh at casuals crying about bans.  I know the game is deeper now, but it's... too complex, with way too many options and ways to tweak instead of an emphasis on balancing the vast number of monsters.  I know there's no way they can all be viable, but it just feels too bloated now.  I can't keep it straight in my head anymore, and I prefer RPGs with more interesting battle mechanics anyway.  That said, I still play one version of the games as they come.  Black and White are definitely the best in the series, and I'm at least pleased Game Freak has continued to improve the games, which is more than can be said for most Nintendo series.

 

Yeah! Legend of Zelda is terrible!

oh hey Robz.

My girlfriend of.... 4 years ago was a huge Zelda fan. Swore up and down that the Zelda franchise was better than the Final Fantasy franchise. I had to break up with her.

Then you're going to have to break up with me too, Galzria, because the Zelda franchise is certainly better than the Final Fantasy franchise.

It's tough even to compare the two, though, because Final Fantasy tells unique, contained stories, whereas Zelda games are part of narrative continuum. There are some very strong individual Final Fantasy games (IX is my personal favorite), but the series doesn't have the same resonance. Also, it's more recent games (XIII, especially) were missteps.

Zelda continues to improve over time, though it churns out a weaker game now and then (like Twilight Princess). Majora's Mask is gaming perfection.

I agree that FF is in a bit of a slump. The biggest issue I had with Zelda is that I never felt that there was any real depth to the character development. I never felt in tune or connected with anyone. FF, even with it's misses, always felt personal at some level. The stories broke your heart. They touched on the highs and lows of humanity. The monstrosities that we create within ourselves, and the humanity to which we feel compelled to save... And these ranges of emotion and personality quite often resided within one individual.

I don't know. I never felt that connection in Zelda. Granted, I only played up through early N64 before giving up - so there's much I've missed since then. I also ceased playing FF religiously when XI came out. I purchased it, but playing online didn't work for me in terms of the quality of story I desired. I played through every one prior to that though (VIII was, imo, the weakest).

[Robz888]

Oh, okay, well if you haven't played Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, or Skyward Sword, you are entitled to that opinion about Zelda. The character development is heartrending.
--
I didn't play XI. I gave XII a good long shot, and didn't like it. I gave XIII 3 hours of my life that I will never get back, and was pretty disappointed.

Really liked VII, IX, and X though.

[Archetype]

Ash needs to die in a fire. 

I don't think ashes can die in fires.

[eHalcyon]

So what are all your favourite pokemon?

[werothegreat]

I liked the show.

The show was cute when I was kid.  Now it's goddamn annoying and Ash needs to die in a fire.  The games are pure awesome though.  Black & White may have produced the trash bag Pokemon, but it also produced Scolipede.  That'll do, Nintendo.  That'll do.

+1 for reference to Babe.  Nostalgia'd hard.

...I've actually never seen Babe.  At some point I probably should.

[gman314]

I like the one in my signature (Charizard), but there's something highly amusing about eHalcyon's signature with the Cyndaquil mooning whoever looks at it.

[Galzria]

I don't have one as I know nothing about Pokemon. Never watched the show, never played the game, never read the comics.

[Archetype]

Typhlosion, then Ampharos, then Aggron.

I was going to pick Mareep for the game, but I was afraid TheMunch would give me a weird sheeping role.

So I went with Aron.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Grimer!

[dondon151]

Nidoking's my favorite 'mon, but the RB Tentacruel sprite is just too good.

[Eevee]

Magmar is so awesome. Look at him!

[Davio]

Oh, okay, well if you haven't played Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, or Skyward Sword, you are entitled to that opinion about Zelda. The character development is heartrending.
--
I didn't play XI. I gave XII a good long shot, and didn't like it. I gave XIII 3 hours of my life that I will never get back, and was pretty disappointed.

Really liked VII, IX, and X though.

I loved some of the Zeldas: Link to the Past for the SNES and Skyward Sword especially.
I mean, I loved them as the games they were and the gameplay they offered, I didn't care much about the story, in fact I try to skip as much dialogue as I can.

Final Fantasy just isn't for me. I hate running around and then *BOOM* surprise! Fight this enemy. Didn't quite bother me in Lufia though, but then you had dungeons where you could actually see the monsters.

[jonts26]

Best Pokemon - Mr Mime!

[eHalcyon]

I like the one in my signature (Charizard), but there's something highly amusing about eHalcyon's signature with the Cyndaquil mooning whoever looks at it.

Cyndaquil is just a little confused and facing the wrong way.

Also, the Bulbasaur and Piplup are shiny.

They aren't actually my favourite pokemon.  Well, Cyndaquil and its line is one of my favourites for aesthetics.  Bulbasaur is my favourite gen I starter and Piplup is my favourite gen IV starter, though it's close between all of them.  Empoleon is awesome for its typing.  Turtwig is adorable and Torterra is an amazing design -- he is a freaking continent.  Look at this.  Chimchar and its line is cool too.  My least favourite of the three, but still awesome.

I didn't actually play through gen III originally (I have a copy of Emerald now; still unfinished) and I actually don't much like any of the gen V starters.

It's hard for me to nail down my favourite overall pokemon though.  Chandelure and Flygon are high up on my list.  I love my paraflinch Togekiss in SoulSilver.  I am a big fan of Ferrothorn just because I'd always thought that Grass/Steel would be a great typing (for gen VI, I am hoping for Ghost/Steel).  I could go on.

[ashersky]

I remember really liking Pokemon Stadium, maybe on GameCube?  Is that even canon?  I liked the show, too.

As for Zelda vs. FF, Secret of Mana is the best.  I did love Ocarina of Time, though.

[Ozle]

FF VII is better than anything Zelda has produced.
Then I would probably put in a few Zelda games in the rankings before going back to FF games.

I have not played the last couple of Zelda either though, but unless they have stopped doing the annoying 'hit the enemy this way three times' combat system and making them so easy to finish (in that its just 'time' not skill level as to how well you do)

Althoguh thats true of all new games these days. Too easy to complete.

Bring back Perma Death!!

[kn1tt3r]

This forum has been brainwashed.

[Lekkit]

Bring back Perma Death!!

This. All the way.

[Davio]

Bring back Perma Death!!

This. All the way.

Well, Diablo III hardcore wasn't any fun with all the server crashes in the early days.

I did play DII hardcore once, but when I died pretty early, I knew it wasn't for me.
I mean, I like a challenge sure, but I don't want to spend hours for nothing.

[Lekkit]

Yeah, server crashes are bad. But perma death makes most single player games more fun, IMO.

[Ozle]

Bring back Perma Death!!

This. All the way.

Well, Diablo III hardcore wasn't any fun with all the server crashes in the early days.

I did play DII hardcore once, but when I died pretty early, I knew it wasn't for me.
I mean, I like a challenge sure, but I don't want to spend hours for nothing.

Where's the challenge if death has no outcome? The challenge then is repetitive learning......yay for school!
(Obviously waaay over simplified there)

And you have raised another problem with the game industry today, releasing games before they are fully operational because of the pressure and hype and the need to claw money back

Next up: DLC.......

[jotheonah]

These Pokemon sig-tags have been brought to you by The Forum Games Subforum. If you like things, that are cool, why not come over and join a game?

[() | (_) ^/]

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[Robz888]

FF VII is better than anything Zelda has produced.
Then I would probably put in a few Zelda games in the rankings before going back to FF games.

I have not played the last couple of Zelda either though, but unless they have stopped doing the annoying 'hit the enemy this way three times' combat system and making them so easy to finish (in that its just 'time' not skill level as to how well you do)

Althoguh thats true of all new games these days. Too easy to complete.

Bring back Perma Death!!

If you haven't played the last few, you should withhold judgment! The combat system is just one factor that has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few games.

[Galzria]

FF VII is better than anything Zelda has produced.
Then I would probably put in a few Zelda games in the rankings before going back to FF games.

I have not played the last couple of Zelda either though, but unless they have stopped doing the annoying 'hit the enemy this way three times' combat system and making them so easy to finish (in that its just 'time' not skill level as to how well you do)

Althoguh thats true of all new games these days. Too easy to complete.

Bring back Perma Death!!

FF-III was better than VII, but only because of how it stood out against the games of it's time. Much like Chrono Trigger or the afore mentioned Secret of Mana.

Likewise, Xenogears is quite possibly better than anything mentioned in this topic yet. It's graphics weren't leagues above the competition, but the story... Oh man. It took the entire RSP sub-forum and made a coherent, phenomenal, heart rending story that actually took the time to delve into the subconscious of human nature at all levels. It sought to explain the beliefs and desires of humanity to not only become rich or powerful, but to become legends - godlike figures. It explored Social constructs, how the rich look down on the poor. It explored insanity, and what that really is and means...

Absolutely hands down the best game of it's genre I've ever played. The sequels (technically prequels) that came out years later held nothing on the original however - largely because the original left no stone unturned.

[Ozle]

I quite liked the original Suikoden game I think it was, with the 108 characters to recruit.

But seriously, if we are talaking RPGs, then Ultima 5 is the greatest game ever.

Proper real world exploration, hundreds of characters to talk too. No set quest objectives and a totally immersive world.

[Toolshed113]

It's really hard to compare the two series, but in my opinion the best of Zelda beats the best of FF. Lately, FF has been getting worse at a much faster pace than Zelda has been getting worse. And this is coming from someone who didn't think FF13 was a total disaster. My biggest problem with Zelda lately is how safe the series has been playing it. I want another radical game like Majora's Mask. You can't fault Square Enix for trying to make FFs different, even if some of the games fall flat on their faces.

[eHalcyon]

And thus the pokemon thread became a second video games thread.

[Galzria]

And thus the pokemon thread became a second video games thread.

This wasn't a Pokemon thread. It was a thread for everyone with Pokemon aligned on the right in their signatures. I think most of us still fit that bill.

[Kuildeous]

And thus the pokemon thread became a second video games thread.

This wasn't a Pokemon thread. It was a thread for everyone with Pokemon aligned on the right in their signatures. I think most of us still fit that bill.

That's true. For example, I don't have a Pokemon sig, and I never posted in this forum.

Aw, crap.

[Davio]

I will see all of your Pokémon sigs and I will raise you one Mega Man doing an invisible Hadouken.

[PitzerMike]

Look, now I have one too.