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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2012, 04:21:18 pm »
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Geronimoo  42   - SphinX 42 (Geronimoo was first player so...)
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-121645-fb138438.html
Envoy/Hoard Big Money game. I mistakenly end the game thinking it's a draw.
Not that it mattered for the result. The Duchies were already gone, and there were only 2 Estates left. Even if you buy Estate, he buys the other on his turn, and you're still down 6 with way for you to get VP tokens or give Curses, so you still can't win.

It is, of course, more deflating to not know you lost until you see the red shield.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #101 on: December 13, 2012, 04:29:13 pm »
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Round 2: playing twice a day, can i be better than level … 4 - 2 Watno

Game 1: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-120616-638c91dd.html
He opens 5/2 on Witch/FG board, i try some desparation bishop moves, doesn't work out.

Game 2: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-121829-d749378a.html
I get nice stuff from black market

Game 3: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-122315-f3c7f781.html
BM embassy, he wins

Game 4: forgot log
I go Silkroads with nomad camp (Great hall was on the board too), he goes B;-courtyard for provs. I screw up on last turn missing the chance to win, and he ties

Game 5: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-123540-0d3f8574.html
BM jack mirror, I win

Game 6: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-124256-d37f6af0.html
BMish with Remake, he takes Council Room over Apprentice, game gets really close, he wins 41-40

Game 7: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-130726-572ea5f5.html
Really good game: I go for some Goons, then into Silkroads/Gardens and get a lead of more than 60 points.  He sets up huge goons turns with bazaar and tactician, and Marins me in the end.

Thx for the games, good luck to you in the next round of the tournamnt, playing blablabla
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #102 on: December 13, 2012, 04:34:13 pm »
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In round 2,   playing bla bla bla... 4  - Watno  2

very very close games! 
...except game 1 i had a 5/2 witch/fool's gold opening, and game 2,  won easyly by Watno

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-120616-638c91dd.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-121829-d749378a.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-122315-f3c7f781.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-123024-91c85bd7.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-123540-0d3f8574.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-124256-d37f6af0.html

and the last one was a really good game i think with two strategies
silk road/garden/nomad camp goons  versus goons/tactician/bazar/oracle  with an extremely stressing end Watno needing just 4 to take the last garden and win(but with a green game)
... final score  120/113 in 31 turns

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/13/game-20121213-130726-572ea5f5.html
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2012, 11:44:23 am »
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Will post a more complete version of this later, since I have to run.  But in round 2, olneyce got crushed by randomname 4-1

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-081157-ac76ad10.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-082238-5ee7a73b.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083049-02716f08.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-084018-c587161e.html

It was a combination of bad luck, stupid play, and randomname making almost no mistakes.

Good luck to randomname, who now needs to go on and win the thing!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2012, 11:45:21 am »
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2012, 11:47:15 am »
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At the time I was fine with it, but now I'm starting to feel a bit bummed that I didn't beat Marin :)
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2012, 11:48:04 am »
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At the time I was fine with it, but now I'm starting to feel a bit bummed that I didn't beat Marin :)

Slacker.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am »
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Round 2
randomname 4, olneyce 1

Game 1:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-081157-ac76ad10.html
A familiar game with colonies. I went for provinces, olneyce took his time to build up an engine and beat me easily.
olneyce 62, randomname 37

Game 2:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-082238-5ee7a73b.html
Sea hag game where olneyce went for alchemists/scrying pools, but I went for slightly more of a big money strategy, and came out on top.
randomname 71, olneyce 38

Game 3:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083049-02716f08.html
A game with moneylender and venture. We took similar strategies, but I think the turn where olneyce was forced to trash a gold with his lookout gave me the win. But it took a lot of back and forth duchy buying, penultimate province chicken playing to get there.
randomname 45, olneyce 35

Game 4:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
We both went pure double jack, I just came out with better luck.
randomname 33, olneyce 25

Game 5:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-084018-c587161e.html
King's court, festival, council room. Olneyce went with a couple golems, as well. I was able to finish the game with two 2-province turns.
randomname 45, olneyce 15

Overall, I got some good luck, and olneyce got some bad luck. I had a lot of fun playing with you, olneyce, and I hope to do some more of it in the future.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #108 on: December 14, 2012, 12:22:47 pm »
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Game 4:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
We both went pure double jack, I just came out with better luck.
randomname 33, olneyce 25

I die a little inside every time I see people go double jack. This board has Goons, Farming Village, Oracle, Peddler, and Develop (with Pearl Diver as a $2 card)!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #109 on: December 14, 2012, 12:27:26 pm »
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Game 4:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
We both went pure double jack, I just came out with better luck.
randomname 33, olneyce 25

I die a little inside every time I see people go double jack. This board has Goons, Farming Village, Oracle, Peddler, and Develop (with Pearl Diver as a $2 card)!
With no trashing, subpar drawing, and the only attacks actually helping Jack (Goons discards the crap, Oracle reorders the top of the deck), a Goons deck would get thrashed here.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #110 on: December 14, 2012, 12:38:24 pm »
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Game 4:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
We both went pure double jack, I just came out with better luck.
randomname 33, olneyce 25

I die a little inside every time I see people go double jack. This board has Goons, Farming Village, Oracle, Peddler, and Develop (with Pearl Diver as a $2 card)!
With no trashing, subpar drawing, and the only attacks actually helping Jack (Goons discards the crap, Oracle reorders the top of the deck), a Goons deck would get thrashed here.

I guess that's what they were thinking, but I'm fairly confident that that's not correct. You still can't get all 8 Provinces in 18 turns or something, and it should not be hard to get to triple-Goons plays by then.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #111 on: December 14, 2012, 12:39:32 pm »
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Game 4:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-083415-adaf115b.html
We both went pure double jack, I just came out with better luck.
randomname 33, olneyce 25

I die a little inside every time I see people go double jack. This board has Goons, Farming Village, Oracle, Peddler, and Develop (with Pearl Diver as a $2 card)!
With no trashing, subpar drawing, and the only attacks actually helping Jack (Goons discards the crap, Oracle reorders the top of the deck), a Goons deck would get thrashed here.

I don't know about THRASHED.  But don't forget that doubleJack decks get pretty thick pretty quickly.  So the Goons' attack will only be countered on hands with Jack in them, which is to say 2 per shuffle at most.

Also, you say no trashing.  Suddenly, Develop.

Oracle/Farming Village are GREAT for light trash engines, because they have the ability to skip past *some* of the junk while doing their draw thing.  I'm not saying this makes HME's strat untouchable.  I'm just saying it has many things going for it for which you don't seem to be giving it credit.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #112 on: December 14, 2012, 12:47:12 pm »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-094445-77de36b8.html

Triple Goons starting on Turn 13.  The end-game would be controlled by the Goons player.  I still had the entire Pearl Diver Pile to empty if for some reason the Double Jack player got really good draws.  I don't see how JoaT stands a chance.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #113 on: December 14, 2012, 12:56:11 pm »
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I'll play Jacks against your Goons strat if you like shark_bait.  You know, for science.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #114 on: December 14, 2012, 12:58:43 pm »
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^To beat that, you'd need to buy Province every turn starting at turn 8...
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #116 on: December 14, 2012, 01:13:07 pm »
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What you don't know is that I just am looking for an excuse to play some doubleJack
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #117 on: December 14, 2012, 01:14:28 pm »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/14/game-20121214-094445-77de36b8.html

Triple Goons starting on Turn 13.  The end-game would be controlled by the Goons player.  I still had the entire Pearl Diver Pile to empty if for some reason the Double Jack player got really good draws.  I don't see how JoaT stands a chance.
Some days, my habit of universally vetoing Goons causes me to forget exactly why I always veto Goons: namely, how goddamned ridiculously powerful it is. I also forgot that Goons extends the endgame by never bothering to buy any Provinces.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #118 on: December 14, 2012, 01:20:07 pm »
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This is an example of why I hate the rift veto mode put in the community.  ST cannot comment effectively on the community tournament because he always plays a different ruleset.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2012, 01:27:10 pm »
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Yeah, the goons engine is so ridiculously good there. No way jack wins. And jack is not a good counter to consistent goons attacks. Yeah, you love to get hit with a jack in hand, but once you start to bloat with silver a) that becomes less likely, and b) you almost certainly won't be able to afford a province with 3 cards as they will be mostly silver.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #120 on: December 14, 2012, 01:43:26 pm »
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This is an example of why I hate the rift veto mode put in the community.  ST cannot comment effectively on the community tournament because he always plays a different ruleset.
That seemed a bit unnecessary.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #121 on: December 14, 2012, 02:28:24 pm »
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I didn't mean that in an offensive way and I don't assign blame to anyone in particular.  I'm just saying, I would be happier if everyone was all veto mode players or all normal mode players.  I don't care which.  It's just I value unity over the nuance.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #122 on: December 14, 2012, 02:47:23 pm »
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This "for science" game is really interesting to me because I am not a good engine player. That the board is a good Goons board makes sense to me. How to build the deck into a Goons engine, however, is something that I do not feel I know well. Shark bait, would you be willing to do a mini-annotation of how you prioritized your buys/trashing early in the game to get the engine going?
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #123 on: December 14, 2012, 04:16:06 pm »
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Omnom still hasn't PMed me.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #124 on: December 14, 2012, 04:37:06 pm »
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I decided to open with Develop/Farming village b/c Develop does both trashing and hand improvement for the next hand.  My Strategy in this game was to work on getting the draw engine going as fast as possible.  This would be a very different game with both players going for the engine.  The limiting resource would be the Farming Village.  Because you need the +Action for both Oracle to get cards in hand, and then later for Goons, when you have your cards in hand.  The difference of having 5 Farming Villages vs. 10 in gamebreaking.  With that said, you want to prioritize the Farming Village stack because winning that split is key to winning the game. Once that split is won, you will have a better engine with greater potential for large Multi-Goon hands at the end of the game.  Sorry for the rushed response, I've got somewhere to be in 10 minutes.  Chew on these thoughts first and I can try to be a bit more organized later.
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