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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2012, 03:48:36 pm »
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I won against Tasman1414:

boloni 4-3 Tasman1414
boloni 33:21 Tasman1414 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-111003-8d2f587d.html
boloni 47:24 Tasman1414 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-112622-3b868a3c.html
boloni 34:25 Tasman1414 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-113156-822f4585.html
Tasman1414 61:44 boloni http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-114221-228a4db6.html
Tasman1414 31:17 boloni http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-114803-532d3da8.html
Tasman1414 42:34 boloni http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-120056-a43ebb0e.html
boloni 46:21 Tasman1414 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-121909-23b1769b.html

In the first game we both played mostly BM with one Woodcutter and some Explorers. I got lucky and was able to buy gold in round 4, 5 and 7.

The second game was black market+tactician agains Familiars and Laboratories. We both used stewards to trash. I made a big mistake when I played all my money with the black-market on turn 11 and had no card left to discard with my second tactician. Because of that Tasman1414 was able to clog up my deck with curses and buy some provinces. But I found a tournament and a bishop in the black-market and made a good comeback.

I have no more time to write something about the other games.

Thanks for the games Tasman1414!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2012, 10:02:34 pm »
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I've been playing my match against gorney, and I was up 3-0, and then he disappeared from isotropic. Sorry, gorney, if something came up, and I'd like to continue our match, but in the mean time I'll post the three game logs of our games so far.

Round 1 - randomname 3 - gorney 0

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-181255-6896fd62.html
randomname 33, gorney -1
It was a game with city, mountebank, and goons. I got the 5-2 split for a mountebank. I think I'd chalk this victory up to luck, mostly.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-182130-b0e06580.html
randomname 28, gorney 27
masquerade big money game with a few other cards. the only reason I won is cause of the one curse I gave him with mountebank.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-182822-e4a2977a.html
randomname 34, gorney 26
another game where i played masquerade big money. gorney opened 5-2, so was pretty much forced to buy a market.

Anyway, I sent gorney a message asking him where he went. It's been a half hour now, so I assume he isn't coming back anytime soon. Unfortunately, due to the huge time zone difference, it's gonna be really hard to find another time to finish the match before the deadline. I'm open to it, though. Thanks for those games.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2012, 04:42:51 am »
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heatthespurs 4-2 Emeric (move your body)

Game 1
heatthespurs 32:30 Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-235834-c03bcd12.html

A mirror Embassies-BM game which I think my extra Navigator did help a bit. But overall this kind of game is luck-driven and I manage to narrowly get this one.


Game 2
heatthespurs 47:15 Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-000942-ff30a575.html

A Wharf game with good support in haggler, farming village, throne room, horse trader and steward... well basically every other cards can be useful too. Some interesting decision to make in the first few rounds on how to build up the deck. I was able to link up the TR with Wharf first and does able to keep snowballing into a victory. Not as "mirror" as the first game, but I feel luck still play a large part in it.


Game 3
heatthespurs 25:37 Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-001712-21fc438b.html

Another mirror game with Vault as the key card. Emeric bought a Mine which give him some extra economy boost, and eventually a victory. Up to this point all games are fast-game and ends in 15 turns.


Game 4
heatthespurs 3:(resign) Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-002655-17f3fcc1.html

First game that we adopt an entire different strategy. It is Torturers+Hamlets vs Scrying Pools + Loan. I think SP is a pretty decent counter to Torturer discarding, though the fact that all decent actions that SP need cost 5 seriously make SP too slow to setup. Adding Festival and Stable make the Torturer engine run very smoothly.


Game 5
heatthespurs 36:47 Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-003333-3c89d42d.html

A very weak board. Talisman+Mining Village was my plan which I have never tried before. Emeric goes for Explorer+BM which is pretty reasonable given the weak board. At last Emeric manage to win despite having a dead Chapel in his deck (never used)


Game 6
heatthespurs 51:30 Emeric
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-004450-3bd9a9ff.html

The most interesting game. Hamlet/Menagerie/Merchant Ships was my plan. Emeric goes for a very interesting strategy that use P-Stone, with Hamlet buying extra Copper and Cache gaining extra copper that make his deck very thick. My engine work slightly faster than his and I was building some lead mid-game. But it is extremely unfortunately for him to have 3 P-Stone draw together, near the deck of this deck, without a plus buy. Otherwise, he might be able to catch up as his P-stone worth $8 by the end of the game. Very interesting strategy. And impressive too!

Overall I think luck play a very large part in the series. Thanks for the game Emeric and I really enjoy that!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2012, 10:34:33 am »
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I can't get ahold of Wittyhowlard to play this series.  I've messaged him via the forum twice, no response.  Whats the best action to take?
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2012, 12:24:30 pm »
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I can't get ahold of Wittyhowlard to play this series.  I've messaged him via the forum twice, no response.  Whats the best action to take?

I will send a message, though at this point it is likely he will have to forfeit.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2012, 03:03:17 pm »
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I've been playing my match against gorney, and I was up 3-0, and then he disappeared from isotropic. Sorry, gorney, if something came up, and I'd like to continue our match, but in the mean time I'll post the three game logs of our games so far.

Round 1 - randomname 3 - gorney 0

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-181255-6896fd62.html
randomname 33, gorney -1
It was a game with city, mountebank, and goons. I got the 5-2 split for a mountebank. I think I'd chalk this victory up to luck, mostly.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-182130-b0e06580.html
randomname 28, gorney 27
masquerade big money game with a few other cards. the only reason I won is cause of the one curse I gave him with mountebank.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/07/game-20121207-182822-e4a2977a.html
randomname 34, gorney 26
another game where i played masquerade big money. gorney opened 5-2, so was pretty much forced to buy a market.

Anyway, I sent gorney a message asking him where he went. It's been a half hour now, so I assume he isn't coming back anytime soon. Unfortunately, due to the huge time zone difference, it's gonna be really hard to find another time to finish the match before the deadline. I'm open to it, though. Thanks for those games.
Did you and gorney mutually agree not to use identical starting hands?  Identical starting hands is the default rule for this tournament (95% sure it doesn't invalidate your matches, but it might be nice for poor gorney if he gets at least one game with forced identical opening hands)
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2012, 03:33:50 pm »
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I actually didn't remember that. My bad. But gorney requested all three of the games, so I guess he didn't know either. Anyway, at this point, since he hasn't responded to my message or that post, I am assuming he is forfeiting.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2012, 04:54:48 pm »
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randomname advances over gorney, 3 games to 0.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2012, 07:31:41 pm »
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The last game had such an interesting Kingdom that I submitted it to the Kingdom contest.

Fun times Varsinor, I clearly have a lot to learn.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2012, 09:01:37 pm »
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Anyone find it ironic that omnomnom is facing TheMunch?
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2012, 09:51:20 pm »
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Redwoods forfeits. Dub4 advances.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2012, 01:38:49 am »
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Sorry for the holding up the bracket.  I defeated Hatrick 4-0

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-214917-63d74d34.html

This was a "no green cards" achievement.  I had 1st player, got perfect shuffle luck, and ended on piles on turn 16 with goons engine fueled 184 points.  My apologies Hat!

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-220413-47ddbe55.html
Chapel + Quarry + Black Market = very tight fun deck that was able to keep buying multiple components AND provinces.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-221923-e3175873.html
A very close game.  Hat knew what to do with universities and wharves - and won the split due to a nice $5 turn 3 hand.  He might have been able to pull out a win if he had been paying attention to the score.


http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/08/game-20121208-223154-36a439d4.html
Mistakes were made on both sides.  He should have ignored cities, I should have ignored alchemists.  Both got ultimate remake.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2012, 04:27:10 am »
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Redwoods forfeits. Dub4 advances.

Thanks
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2012, 10:10:51 am »
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4-3 to me against Whitecrow in an extraordinarily close nail-biting match.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-052302-4078f1b6.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-054024-94fc4f55.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-055232-c3e2dec9.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-061132-760e1b34.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-062644-15c08894.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-064300-e77b8d76.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-070037-6f056003.html
The jaw dropping moment of the match was in this last one: On the second last turn, Whitecrow plays out his Kings Courts, Cities and Horse Traders... To only end up with $32 - $1 short of being able to buy all 3 Colonies and finish/win the game. I *just* scrape through with the victory.

Thanks for the game Whitecrow.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2012, 11:23:25 am »
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Congrats jefhw for winning a game.  It's probably more than I'm going to do :)
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2012, 11:56:57 am »
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I just need one upset to face Wandering Winder!

You almost didn't need to have another upset.  Just lost to nomnomnom in a very close 4-3 series (I'm sure he'll be posting results soon).
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2012, 11:59:34 am »
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Congrats jefhw for winning a game.  It's probably more than I'm going to do :)

On an engine board to boot!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2012, 12:20:20 pm »
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Round 1
nomnomnom 4 : 3 TheMunch

We played with point tracker, identical starting hands and no veto mode.

nomnomnom 56 : 70 TheMunch
TheMunch gets multiple Platinums and I start greening a little too early. So his 4:1 lead in Platinums gets him the victory.

nomnomnom 55 : 40 TheMunch
A Fool's Gold game with Councilroom support. My two Councilrooms to his one make the difference.

nomnomnom 14 : 4 TheMunch
A game with Torturer and Worker's village. TheMunch gets a little bit ahead after a few turns but can not really lock me down. At some point my Torturer/Village density is high enough and I can secure my second win.

nomnomnom 30 : 37 TheMunch
TheMunch plays Masquerade-BM with a couple Bazaars whereas I try to get fancy with university to get something going with Bazaars and Hagglers. Of course that is too slow and there is no way for me to come back.

nomnomnom 9 : 3 TheMunch
Quarry, Wharf and Mining Village are on the board. We both start with Quarry/Silver but TheMunch is unlucky and gets 4/4 on the second shuffle. Thats already the deciding factor I think besides my frist turn advantage. In the end I get 7 of the Wharfs and 7 of the Villages and win after three-piling.

nomnomnom 24 : 26 TheMunch
Watchtower/Hamlet engine with Young Witch for us both. I can cycle through my deck a bit better but have very little buying power. TheMunch has a couple of Golds because of an early Hoard. My last turn I can end the game in a draw but since TheMunch just played a lot of money the turn before I try to go for the win. That did not work as TheMunch wins on his next turn.

nomnomnom 59 : 53 TheMunch
Again a Torturer engine for me. This time with Bazaar. TheMunch ignores Torturers and builds a deck with Bazaars, Wharfs and Nobles. He gets a nice lead in points but I can come back with a double Colony turn. His deck is quite resilient to my Torturers though and it is close up till the end when I can exploit my first turn advantage and eek out a win.

Thanks to TheMunch for the games. It was much closer than I wanted it to be.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2012, 12:43:26 pm »
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Anyone find it ironic that omnomnom is facing TheMunch?
Very contrasting styles of eating there.  Many small noms for one, and one decisive Munch for the other.

I wonder if their play will reflect this...
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2012, 12:43:57 pm »
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Good game to you too, NomNomNom.  I didn't expect it to be as close as it was!
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2012, 03:57:19 pm »
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Below are the results for sffc and benjigab.  We played with the official point counter, no veto mode, and identical starting hands.

Game 1: benjigab: 42 points, 19 turns to sffc: 41 points, 18 turns
Benjigab played Workshop/Gardens with some Hamlets, and I played textbook Council Room/Big Money.  We both ignored the Scrying Pools (there was no trashing), and the game was too short for me to build up to Colonies.  It was a very close game (a Buzz Beater), but the Gardens strategy ended up winning on piles on turn 19.

Game 2: sffc: 48 points, 22 turns to benjigab: 21 points, 21 turns
We essentially played mirror Golem/Scheme with Militia as the token Action.  Besides lucky draws with the Golem on my part and an unlucky click on Benjigab's part, I think what made my deck stronger than Benjigab's in this game was that I went for more money before buying Potion and Scheme on turns 5 and 6, while Benjigab took the dive early and purchased Potion and Scheme on turns 3 and 4.

Game 3: benjigab: 30 points, 16 turns to sffc: 28 points, 15 turns
This was a fast game involving strong non-terminal $5's, and we had a 5/2 opening.  Benjigab opened Apprentice/nothing (there were no $2's) and I opened Mandarin/Stables/nothing.  My strategy involved using Stables for the deep draw and Mandarin for coin and smoothing of my deck.  I picked up two Stables, and also an Apprentice.  Benjigab ran an Apprentice-heavy strategy, trashing all of his Estates and a Copper as well as higher-value cards toward the endgame.  I purchased the penultimate Province with the PPR on my side, but Benjigab pulled off the 2-point win with a Duchy followed by a Province on turn 16.  (In the next hand, I had Apprentice/Peddler.)  This game could have gone either way.

Game 4: sffc: 46 points, 25 turns to benjigab: 28 points, 24 turns
This was our only Curse game, with Young Witch and Black Market as bane.  We both opened Young Witch/Black Market.  The Black Market got me an Embassy on turn 4 and Benjigab a Wharf on turn 7.  I was fortunate that my terminals didn't collide very much in the early game, and that I had Black Market on Benjigab's first Young Witch, while Benjigab's YWitch and BM collided twice.  I pretty much played Big Money/Embassy once I got the Embassy out of Black Market deck, while Benjigab played Highway and ended up winning the Curse split 6/4.  I ended up winning in 25 turns by 18 points.

Game 5: benjigab: 21 points, 26 turns to sffc: 26 points, 26 turns
The key cards here were IGG, Embassy, Ambassador, and Fool's Gold.  We had a 5/2 opening, so we both opened IGG/Fool's Gold.  Benjigab played straight IGG with a few Ambassadors.  I remember reading in the IGG article on Dominion Strategy that when there are cards that interfere with the IGG/Curse balance (like Witches or Ambassador), that IGG is not a strong strategy, so during midgame I didn't buy any more IGGs and instead went for Embassy/Fool's Gold with a couple of Ambassadors to mess up the curse balance.  I also picked up a Moneylender on turn 3 to help thin my deck.  The game was pretty much over by turn 20; we Duchy danced for a little bit, and I ended the game by purchasing the last IGG on turn 26.

Game 6: benjigab: 16 points, 14 turns to sffc: 11 points, 13 turns
The key cards here were Wharf, Festival, University, and Conspirator.  We both opened Potion/Loan, and we played mirror up until about turn 7.  I had the unfortunate draw of Potion/Copper/Estate/Estate/Estate with Wharf and University on turn 6, while Benjigab was able to pick up a second University.  I decided to pass up additional Universities, while Benjigab ended up with 3 of them by the end of the game.  Benjigab's Universities allowed him to end the game on piles (Wharf, Conspirator, and Festival) in a well-played megaturn on turn 14.

Game 7: sffc: 27 points, 14 turns to benjigab: 37 points, 14 turns
Young Witch was on the board, but with a 5/2 opening and Lighthouse as bane, this was a Curse-free game.  This game was similar to game 6: a Wharf-based engine game, but this time with Hamlets and Border Villages instead of Universities and Festivals.  I invested in a lot of Hamlets and Wharves, while Benjigab went for Lighthouses and Border Village/Wharves.  We both neglected the economy side of our engines; I realized this when I hit $8 on turn 10, but with that $8 coming from my 7 starting Coppers and my opening Lighthouse!  On that turn, I invested in BV/Stash/Lighthouse, and from then on I was able to hit $11 or $12 (but never $13) on most turns, purchasing Silver with my extra buys.  Benjigab had only one Silver, with the rest of the economy coming from Lighthouses, and he was hitting only $9 or $10 per turn.  However, Benjigab's engine was faster, and Benjigab ended the game by buying a fifth Province on turn 14.

Concluding Thoughts: Both Benjigab and I played strong games.  Benjigab outplayed me in games 6 and 7 (both engine games), while I outplayed Benjigab in games 2 and 5 (both combo games).  I personally feel that I outplayed Benjigab in game 3 despite my loss there, and Benjigab probably feels the same way about game 4.  This match could have gone either way, so I am wishing Benjigab the best of luck in round 2 and the rest of the Witch tournament! :D
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2012, 04:15:44 pm »
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In Round 2 Mic Qsenoch wins 4 - 0 against Dubdubdubdub

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-122019-096aea50.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-123303-bd6884f0.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-124647-b6455466.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201212/09/game-20121209-131144-8aea4ae0.html

All of the boards we saw were very interesting. Lots of engine stuff. Thanks for the match Dubdubdubdub.

Edit: Which isn't to imply that I think engine=interesting. I definitely don't believe that. The two Scrying Pool games were pretty tedious to actually play out (so many clicks). But I thought all the boards had at least a couple nice card interactions, several of which weren't even used by either player.
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Re: Witch Division: Bracket and Results
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2012, 04:24:36 pm »
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I definitely agree that my match with sffc could have gone either way. I'm not proud of games 2 and 5, in which I was heavily outplayed. Games 3 and 4 could have gone either way I think. Anyway, much of thanks to sffc for the game and a well-written post !
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