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[Axxle]

Incredible that no one is more understanding, when human civilization has been destroyed by super-intelligent robots who look exactly like us, it is no wonder Adama is a bit paranoid while playing Dominion.

Said as I watch BSG in another window.

[Watno]

I want to put Adama in the brig for playing Dominion instead of doing his jump.

[toaster]

I'm sorry to hear that Adama has turned rather trollish.  I remember playing a few matches with him about a year ago, and it was pleasant enough, though things did not come out well for humanity   

[() | (_) ^/]

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[GendoIkari]

And beyond all of that, there are edge cases where you purposefully don't want to guess the card properly, but may have every card name in your deck due to a Fairgrounds strategy, and so you ought to be able to guess a name which none of the available cards have.

You know, I'd be okay if the rules defined 'card' as 'official dominion card', such that when you are instructed to name a card, you must name a card that does, in fact, exist within the game of Dominion.

Dominion doesn't know what a three of spades is. Dominion doesn't know what a Mirror Force is. Dominion doesn't know what a Ken's Tatsumaki is. Dominion doesn't know what a Bulbasaur is.

I tried to make this argument a few months ago actually... I was completely shot down.

[ftl]

In practice, it doesn't really matter. There will always be some Dominion card that you don't have in your deck that you can pick. Might as well let people be silly and name Bulbasaur IRL (whereas online, don't bother letting people do that, and probably limit it to cards available for this game, again just out of convenience because it's never actually going to matter)

[GendoIkari]

In practice, it doesn't really matter. There will always be some Dominion card that you don't have in your deck that you can pick. Might as well let people be silly and name Bulbasaur IRL (whereas online, don't bother letting people do that, and probably limit it to cards available for this game, again just out of convenience because it's never actually going to matter)

Thanks to Black Market, this isn't technically true.

[ftl]

Yes, yes it is. I can happily guarantee you there will never be a serious game played where one player has every Dominion card in his deck, wants to guarantee that their wish fails, and accidentally has their wish succeed.

It technically could happen, in the same way I technically could win the lottery by buying one ticket. But in practice, when designing an interface, you might as well not consider the possibility.

[GendoIkari]

But in practice, when designing an interface, you might as well not consider the possibility.

I'm don't dispute this.

[theory]

It technically could happen, in the same way I technically could win the lottery by buying one ticket. But in practice, when designing an interface, you might as well not consider the possibility.

The better way to put this is:

Every UI decision makes tradeoffs between usability and functionality.  It is at the extreme end of unreasonableness to make the UI much worse for this little bit more of functionality.

[eHalcyon]

They could just drop in a single option at the bottom for a non-Dominion card, so the player can purposely not succeed if they so wish.  And as an easter egg, Goko could periodically change what that option was.

I wish for a Successful Launch.

[Kirian]

I wish for Militia--but the Militia from Thunderstone, not Dominion.

[Beyond Awesome]

Yes, yes it is. I can happily guarantee you there will never be a serious game played where one player has every Dominion card in his deck, wants to guarantee that their wish fails, and accidentally has their wish succeed.

It technically could happen, in the same way I technically could win the lottery by buying one ticket. But in practice, when designing an interface, you might as well not consider the possibility.

One day, I will play such a game where I purchase every Dominion card and have it in my deck. Although, this will be done irl because on iso you can't do this, and likely not on Goko when Black Market is implemented. I will be sure to record this epic game!

[Robz888]

I'm always hacking my shuffle, duh. I type !bettershuffle and my cards just rearrange themselves the way I want.

[ftl]

Yes, yes it is. I can happily guarantee you there will never be a serious game played where one player has every Dominion card in his deck, wants to guarantee that their wish fails, and accidentally has their wish succeed.

It technically could happen, in the same way I technically could win the lottery by buying one ticket. But in practice, when designing an interface, you might as well not consider the possibility.

One day, I will play such a game where I purchase every Dominion card and have it in my deck. Although, this will be done irl because on iso you can't do this, and likely not on Goko when Black Market is implemented. I will be sure to record this epic game!

Remember to additionally include a situation where you actually draw the Wishing Well or Mystic, have a reason to want your wish to deliberately fail, and don't happen to have a unique card already in hand or in play that you could safely wish for.

[Titandrake]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

[DStu]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Depends on how you define "know".  Of course there could be just two cards left before you played the WW, you still have a Market in hand (or drew it as first card of the WW), and you want to play this Market without triggering the reshuffle.  Now you could know what the last card is, but that doesn't mean you really know it.

[greatexpectations]

Depends on how you define "know".  Of course there could be just two cards left before you played the WW, you still have a Market in hand (or drew it as first card of the WW), and you want to play this Market without triggering the reshuffle.  Now you could know what the last card is, but that doesn't mean you really know it.

menagerie, specifically if your hand is all different cards. +1 card, +3 cards is usually better than +2 cards, +1 card.

also, if you already have all the $ you need for a province or whatever (and there are no plus buys) i can see not wanting to draw more cards. it doesn't require exact knowledge of the card, just a general knowledge of the rest of your deck.

[Kirian]

I'm always hacking my shuffle, duh. I type !bettershuffle and my cards just rearrange themselves the way I want.

I assumed you just used Scout to put the cards in the "right" order each turn.

[eHalcyon]

Depends on how you define "know".  Of course there could be just two cards left before you played the WW, you still have a Market in hand (or drew it as first card of the WW), and you want to play this Market without triggering the reshuffle.  Now you could know what the last card is, but that doesn't mean you really know it.

menagerie, specifically if your hand is all different cards. +1 card, +3 cards is usually better than +2 cards, +1 card.

also, if you already have all the $ you need for a province or whatever (and there are no plus buys) i can see not wanting to draw more cards. it doesn't require exact knowledge of the card, just a general knowledge of the rest of your deck.

For menagerie, just play it before the wishing well. Or if you have two ww and need to play one first, wish for a ww.

[GendoIkari]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Just wanting a certain amount of money seems simple enough.... you have $7 and a Wishing Well. You play WW and draw a Copper. There's nothing in your deck that could make this better than a 1-Province turn... whatever is on top of your deck, you'd rather have it next turn instead of now.

[Axxle]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Just wanting a certain amount of money seems simple enough.... you have $7 and a Wishing Well. You play WW and draw a Copper. There's nothing in your deck that could make this better than a 1-Province turn... whatever is on top of your deck, you'd rather have it next turn instead of now.

You'd probably want to remove any vanilla victory cards from your next hand.

[GendoIkari]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Just wanting a certain amount of money seems simple enough.... you have $7 and a Wishing Well. You play WW and draw a Copper. There's nothing in your deck that could make this better than a 1-Province turn... whatever is on top of your deck, you'd rather have it next turn instead of now.

You'd probably want to remove any vanilla victory cards from your next hand.

Well it's easy enough to specify that you don't have any victory cards in your deck yet. Of course, at that point a Victory card becomes a good guess for Wishing Well... but it still meets the criteria of the question.

[Axxle]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Just wanting a certain amount of money seems simple enough.... you have $7 and a Wishing Well. You play WW and draw a Copper. There's nothing in your deck that could make this better than a 1-Province turn... whatever is on top of your deck, you'd rather have it next turn instead of now.

You'd probably want to remove any vanilla victory cards from your next hand.

Well it's easy enough to specify that you don't have any victory cards in your deck yet. Of course, at that point a Victory card becomes a good guess for Wishing Well... but it still meets the criteria of the question.

Quite right.  I missed that you were responding to a different question.

[GendoIkari]

Actually, while we're on that topic, can anyone here construct a situation where you want to play Wishing Well, succeeding at your wish is worse than failing it, and you don't know the top card of your deck? The last condition is needed because you can easily fail the wish if you already know the top card, and the question is about ensuring a failed wish by naming a non-existent card.

Just wanting a certain amount of money seems simple enough.... you have $7 and a Wishing Well. You play WW and draw a Copper. There's nothing in your deck that could make this better than a 1-Province turn... whatever is on top of your deck, you'd rather have it next turn instead of now.

You'd probably want to remove any vanilla victory cards from your next hand.

Well it's easy enough to specify that you don't have any victory cards in your deck yet. Of course, at that point a Victory card becomes a good guess for Wishing Well... but it still meets the criteria of the question.

Quite right.  I missed that you were responding to a different question.

I can at least say this... in my well over 2000 games of Dominion, I cannot think of a single time that I have desired to purposefully get the Wishing Well guess incorrect.