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[jonts26]

I think we need to discuss and decide upon a general organization for pages relating to game phases, high level dominion concepts, etc. In general, we should try to avoid overly short pages, when they could be combined into one with subsections. For example, Action Phase, Buy Phase, Clean up Phase should belong to one page together, not each page separately. However, you could also argue that Game Phases should not be its own page, but rather a subsection of some sort of Playing the Game page or the Dominion game page. Also, we use the terms action and buy independently of the action and buy phase. To what extent should action and buy have their own pages?

Anyway, here are what I think should be full pages and what should be subsets within them. Feel free to disagree:

Dominion (Game)
-Gameplay, short description, link to full page
-Releases, brief overview or just a table of the sets, link to full set pages

Gameplay
-Set up, etc
--Kingdom (absorb current [[Kingdom]] page)
-Phases
--Action Phase (absorb current [[Action]] page)
--Buy Phase (no seperate page for [[buy]])
--Clean Up Phase
-Ending Conditions

[TwiNight]

I think we can also group Randomizers, Blank cards and Trash card into one page

[AJD]

The current [[Action]] page shouldn't be entirely absorbed into the "gameplay" article; it's also about the card type.

[gman314]

The current [[Action]] page shouldn't be entirely absorbed into the "gameplay" article; it's also about the card type.

Solution: Split those two parts.

[AJD]

I kind of think [[Kingdom card]] should be its own page also, as a category of cards; I don't really think it should always be redirected to [[gameplay]], which should have discussion on game setup, but not really about Kingdom cards as a category.

[jonts26]

The question I have then is, what goes on that page? It has to be more than just a few sentences to justify a page. And you dont need to list all the kingdom cards, we have a category page for that.

[AJD]

Hmm, okay, useful facts about Kingdom cards—
• They are the cards in the supply other than basic cards
• The diversity of Kingdom cards is what makes Dominion unique, since each game can use a different selection
• For each game you choose 10 Kingdom cards out of the 200ish that exist
•—But if one of them is Young Witch you choose an 11th
• Victory Kingdom piles have 8 or 12 copies of the card; other piles have 10 copies
•—Except Rats
•—And Knights
• The choice of Kingdom cards can dictate what basic cards are used or involve other non-Supply piles in the game
• Black Market can allow you to buy Kingdom cards that weren't selected for the Supply

What else?

[Qvist]

I think the general approach should be:

Substituting the stub page and instead create a redirect to a section of the longer page. If the content of this section gets bigger you could still "rollback" and removing the redirect again and put the now bigger content back in.

[TwiNight]

Merged some stubs into "Special Cards" and "Materials"

[AJD]

I'm not sure about VP tokens being merged into "Materials"; it seems to me like they're a distinct enough strategy issue that they should have their own page with discussion of how to negotiate them. (Maybe the discussion under alt-VP should be sufficient for this though? I dunno.)

Similarly, [[three-pile ending]] shouldn't just be a redirect to game-ending conditions under "Gameplay"; it's a core component of strategy that should have a full essay written about it.

[TwiNight]

Those are temporary measures. When we get more content, we can split them up and use "Main Article"

[greatexpectations]

i think that as mods this will be our biggest chore when we theoretically get an influx of users by going public. basically we will have to break things down and rearrange all of the content into the best formatting possible.

[greatexpectations]

not sure if this goes here exactly but whatever. looks like twinight just reformatted the recommended sets for base. it looks awesome, but the page is super long now. should we start up fresh pages for these recommended sets? i sort of started that yesterday here but we might need to break it out further.

[Schneau]

not sure if this goes here exactly but whatever. looks like twinight just reformatted the recommended sets for base. it looks awesome, but the page is super long now. should we start up fresh pages for these recommended sets? i sort of started that yesterday here but we might need to break it out further.

Agreed. These look awesome / need to go on a separate page. Just way too long.

[greatexpectations]

even on a separate page they are going to get long though. can we make them collapsible or something? it really is great to look at the cards but that coolness will be lost by the overload of having a page that packed with images.

[TwiNight]

Collapsible +1
Takes some time

[DStu]

Tell me if I should mass move/reformat something...

[TwiNight]

Collapsible Kingdom done, basically a complete rewrite.
There are some minor dents to be fixed but I have class now.

[Qvist]

Wow, you are awesome.
You already made it, but I orginally wanted to suggest to just modify the "mini" version of the template and alternatively just add the mouseover effect to it.
If it isn't that much work you can still add it to the collapsed or the mini version.

[zahlman]

Also, we use the terms action and buy independently of the action and buy phase. To what extent should action and buy have their own pages?

It would be nice if we could make things like Action and Buy have mouseovers that give the formal game definition (and then perhaps link through to a stub page), sort of like how the card templates work now. We could then easily distinguish [[Action|Action Phase]] from [[Action|Plus-Action Effect]], [[Action|Playing an Action]], [[Action|Action card type]]... to be clear, I think lots of stubs are fine, with the understanding that they're there mostly to facilitate templates, and not so much with the intention of people actually clicking through to them.

Also, to facilitate strategy discussion, I think we need a bunch of categories for strategic card types. Things like "Village" (including subtypes like "disappearing village", "pseudo-village", etc.), "Cantrip" (anything with at least +1 Card and +1 Action, so a lot of subtypes for things that are more powerful), "Draw up to N", "Attack counter" (Reactions, JoaT, etc.), "Trash for Benefit", etc. etc. Some combos really require two specific cards, many more require one from each of two classes.

Oh, and how exactly do we plan to separate strategy discussion centered around a specific card from the basic info about the card? I assume the goal is to have all the main DS content (and more) in the wiki eventually...