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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #100 on: April 24, 2014, 02:09:51 pm »
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King you should probably spoiler tag that.

Yeah, I did. I forgot when I was writing it. Nobody saw that!!

I feel like people who want to avoid spoilers will just avoid this thread...
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #101 on: April 24, 2014, 02:13:10 pm »
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King you should probably spoiler tag that.

Yeah, I did. I forgot when I was writing it. Nobody saw that!!

I feel like people who want to avoid spoilers will just avoid this thread...

Yeah, but being careful is good.  Plus there is ambiguity between show spoilers and book spoilers.  And, well, we've all been using the tags :)
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #102 on: April 24, 2014, 02:18:35 pm »
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I think it's fine not to use Spoiler tags for show spoilers. But use them for like book spoilers, maybe? I don't know, is there anyone in this thread who watches the show but hasn't read the books?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #103 on: April 24, 2014, 02:19:53 pm »
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There could also, in theory, be people that have read the books but haven't yet watched the show, and they don't want to be spoiled with how the show makes changes ... for some reason.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #104 on: April 24, 2014, 02:22:10 pm »
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King you should probably spoiler tag that.

Yeah, I did. I forgot when I was writing it. Nobody saw that!!

I feel like people who want to avoid spoilers will just avoid this thread...

Yeah, but being careful is good.  Plus there is ambiguity between show spoilers and book spoilers.  And, well, we've all been using the tags :)

It is good to be careful, but anyone who is shocked when they see spoilers in this thread is either an idiot, or illiterate.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #105 on: April 24, 2014, 02:51:17 pm »
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King you should probably spoiler tag that.

Yeah, I did. I forgot when I was writing it. Nobody saw that!!

I feel like people who want to avoid spoilers will just avoid this thread...

Yeah, but being careful is good.  Plus there is ambiguity between show spoilers and book spoilers.  And, well, we've all been using the tags :)

It is good to be careful, but anyone who is shocked when they see spoilers in this thread is either an idiot, or illiterate.

I think Awaclus signature is relevant here.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9117.msg279810#msg279810
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #106 on: April 24, 2014, 06:03:21 pm »
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King you should probably spoiler tag that.

Yeah, I did. I forgot when I was writing it. Nobody saw that!!

I feel like people who want to avoid spoilers will just avoid this thread...

Yeah, but being careful is good.  Plus there is ambiguity between show spoilers and book spoilers.  And, well, we've all been using the tags :)

It is good to be careful, but anyone who is shocked when they see spoilers in this thread is either an idiot, or illiterate.

I think Awaclus signature is relevant here.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=9117.msg279810#msg279810
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2014, 04:51:32 am »
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I didn't know that, but that would make sense. It is certainly a rape scene and very different from the book. Perhaps it was more in line with what happened in the book before the editing was made.

It's a weird change, and one I didn't really like. I haven't seen many defenders. It really takes Jaime down a peg as far as moral standing goes. I'm not sure why they would do that.

Weird, it's quite opposite here, most people I talked with here (including female friends) agree that whole "rape scene" thing is quite overblown.


On yesterday's episode, I don't get why so many changes. Sigh.
Also White Walkers thing was ... a huge WTF moment.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2014, 05:18:56 am »
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I think it's fine not to use Spoiler tags for show spoilers. But use them for like book spoilers, maybe? I don't know, is there anyone in this thread who watches the show but hasn't read the books?

For the record, I haven't read the books and recently started watching the show. But I'm not really following the thread, so it doesn't matter.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2014, 09:13:20 am »
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SER POUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCE
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2014, 09:28:54 am »
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I didn't know that, but that would make sense. It is certainly a rape scene and very different from the book. Perhaps it was more in line with what happened in the book before the editing was made.

It's a weird change, and one I didn't really like. I haven't seen many defenders. It really takes Jaime down a peg as far as moral standing goes. I'm not sure why they would do that.

Weird, it's quite opposite here, most people I talked with here (including female friends) agree that whole "rape scene" thing is quite overblown.


On yesterday's episode, I don't get why so many changes. Sigh.
Also White Walkers thing was ... a huge WTF moment.

I was actually excited to see something where I actually did not know what was going on.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #111 on: April 29, 2014, 10:21:50 am »
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SER POUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCE

I was afraid they were going to cut him and his friends. Luckily they didn't.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #112 on: April 29, 2014, 10:37:10 am »
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SER POUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCE

I was afraid they were going to cut him and his friends. Luckily they didn't.

I started laughing when he first said "Sir Pounce?!"  My first thought was that Voltaire is going to be so happy.  I then had this weird fleeting thought that they quickly edited that scene in after the public uproar from suspicions of Sir Pounce getting cut after the previous week's episode.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #113 on: April 29, 2014, 10:52:14 am »
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Heard a good one today:

"Now the book readers should stop watching the show to avoid the spoilers. Oh, the irony".
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #114 on: April 29, 2014, 10:55:49 am »
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Heard a good one today:

"Now the book readers should stop watching the show to avoid the spoilers. Oh, the irony".

Probably because if they didn't read book 5, then there will be spoilers since those two books will happen at the same time in the show.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #115 on: April 29, 2014, 10:57:29 am »
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No, it's the Others thing.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2014, 10:58:22 am »
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Oh, and on the subject of changes in episode 4:

I'm a bit wary of it.  I think there are a few things going on.  First, I think Jon came back to Castle Black a lot earlier than in the books, so they probably need another story arc to time the big battle correctly.  Secondly, having Bran interact with people we've seen before gives viewers some more perspective of what's going on with him and where he is.  Maybe they thought it was important for people to have a picture in their head of where Bran actually is, instead of having him entirely disconnected from everyone else.  In the books it feels like he travels forever and ever, and I didn't really have any idea of where he ever was.. it just seemed like really far north.

I think the biggest concern is Bran/Jon meeting.  I guess Bran could convince Jon that his quest is necessary, but I think them meeting at this point, and Jon letting Bran go, is going to seem really weird.  I think the best thing to happen would be for  Jon and his party to attack Craster's, there big a big battle between, and having Bran and co. escape in the mayhem without Jon or anyone else seeing him.

I'm not too concerned with the changes in Meereen.  Dany's storyline feels like it's moving faster than in the books, which I think is good.  I wonder if we're going to start meeting some people traveling towards her, or if we're going to meet them next season when they're well on route.  Though they may be cutting some... unlike many people, I liked Quentin and enjoyed his tragic arc.  It as just so Martin, to have this young idealistic prince with an actual valid solution to the problem at hand (Dorn backing Dany could probably get her the throne), come and fail so horribly.  Especially with all the prophecy buildup that we're expecting someone else to be able to ride her other two dragons.  Tyrion I'm guessing will come to Dany the same way, and probably meet Aegon and Cottington on the way.

Which brings me to the Greyjoys.  I'm concerned we never saw Balon die.  Or heard about it.  It's still likely to happen as Stannis burned a leech, but I'm wondering why it's taking so long.  Maybe they're going to do more on the Iron Islands in the latter half of the season.  If Balon dies later on, they can introduce Euron and Victarion (and Aeron) at that point.  They can cut out the Queensmoot stuff and just have Euron come in for a quick takeover. I hope they don't cut Victarion and Euron, as I feel they're going to become pretty important.  Thought, they're not really my favorite characters.

It felt like Locke got to Castle Black really fast.  I guess he had good horses and you can travel quickly alone.  Also.. shouldn't Stannis have left by now?  Every time I see him I think he should be gone.. especially when Davos read him the letter at the end of last season.  In the books it seemed like Stannis was convinced to leave right away.. and in the show it seemed like he was convinced too.  I keep wondering what's going to convince him to leave.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #117 on: April 29, 2014, 12:36:32 pm »
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2014, 12:53:21 pm »
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My thoughts on the latest episode, if anyone is interested: http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/28/game-of-thrones-review-even-diehard-fans-were-shocked-to-meet-this-monster/

I like the point about highlighting Dany's ruthlessness and comparing it with the likes of her father, Joffrey, and Cersei.  She's often seen as "the good guy" of the story, but she's actually very brutal and causing all kinds of turmoil.  (Though she does have a moral ground.)   The Ice/Fire duality is also relevant here, as even though Dany represents Fire, she in many ways acts like Ice in her hard, emotionless, and calculating judgement.  The Mad King, Joffrey, and Cersei, on the other hand, were much more like Fire; they would act spontaneously, fueled by wild emotions.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #119 on: April 29, 2014, 04:43:32 pm »
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #120 on: April 30, 2014, 03:12:09 pm »
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No, it's the Others thing.
Just found out it's even worse than I thought: You might not want to click this even if you have read all the books and watched the show

Also I found some things in that last episode quite strange
Why the hell is there a Slave General assembly in Mereen where they discuss making a revolt or not. Especially after Daenerys has encouraged them to do that, shouldn't the Masters have a closer eye on them?
Also, I don't see the timelines matching up well with Jon and Bran

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #121 on: April 30, 2014, 03:21:19 pm »
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In response to the thing about the Others that Watno posted:

I don't think that means that the White Walker guy who converts the baby is necessarily the same Night's King from the fairy tale. HBO might have just decided to give the character a name that was familiar to book fans. It might even just be a stand-in name. Or it could be that the current leader of the Others is always called "the Night's King."
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2014, 10:08:17 pm »
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Spoiler from this week's episode

So Lysa poisoned Jon Arryn? I thought we already saw Cersei/Pycelle saying they did this?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #123 on: May 04, 2014, 10:12:16 pm »
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Spoiler from this week's episode

So Lysa poisoned Jon Arryn? I thought we already saw Cersei/Pycelle saying they did this?

I think they only hinted that Pycelle knew of the poison used.  It was Littlefinger's plan to increase Stark/Lannister tension.  He implicated the Lannisters in Jon Arryn's death and in Bran's fall.  He pretty much knew that Ned's sense of honor would do the rest.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire [spoilers version]
« Reply #124 on: May 04, 2014, 10:15:05 pm »
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Weird, I guess I just glossed over the passage in the Storm of Swords where that conversation happened. I was sure it was Cersei, but apparently I was wrong.
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