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What's missing now?
« on: August 23, 2011, 07:46:23 am »
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This is an unashamed rip-off of AJD's thread "What's missing?"

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=504.0

I hope you don't mind.

Which Dominion card completes this list?

Secret Chamber
Pirate Ship
Salvager
Trade Route
Vault
Bank
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 08:06:24 am »
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Love these.

Think I've got the connection. I'll be back in a second when I find the other card that fits =D

Edit: Harvest, Philosopher's Stone, Diadem, (Honourable mention: Tribute and a few others?)

It's possible that I am barking up the wrong tree.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2011, 08:12:07 am by Thisisnotasmile »
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 08:16:53 am »
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Bank destroys it for me. Otherwise I would answer Horn of Plenty, Harvest, Philosopher's Stone.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 08:22:05 am »
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You're kind of on the right track, but there are reasons why all of your answers miss out. It seems quite obvious what the connection is here, but it's a little more subtle than that. I'll give the honourable mentions in the next couple of days.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 08:45:01 am »
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OK, so the cards mentioned are not it? Otherwise Philosopher's Stone could be a unique solution I think. Reason: Can be worth $1, but can also be worth something higher. (Then Salvager needs a little help to fit in.)
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 08:55:02 am »
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OK, so the cards mentioned are not it? Otherwise Philosopher's Stone could be a unique solution I think. Reason: Can be worth $1, but can also be worth something higher. (Then Salvager needs a little help to fit in.)

Harvest fits that criteria too.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 08:55:30 am »
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That's right, none of the cards mentioned so far can be added to the list.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 08:59:52 am »
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Ah. I think I've got it now. Off I go to check the card lists again...

Edit: Baron, Embargo (which I think you might have missed or may be classing as an honourable mention)

Edit2: Also Copper ;]
« Last Edit: August 23, 2011, 09:05:33 am by Thisisnotasmile »
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 09:07:17 am »
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Well done. Baron and Embargo are honourable mentions. Another is Peddler. A semi-honourable mention is Lighthouse. So then what is the one other card that can join the list?
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 09:10:12 am »
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Gah. I was sure Baron was it! Okay then, my Edit2 from above (Copper) is my definite final answer. If not I have no idea. Even if so, I'm not sure why Baron is only honourable, but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 09:35:57 am »
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OK, so the cards mentioned are not it? Otherwise Philosopher's Stone could be a unique solution I think. Reason: Can be worth $1, but can also be worth something higher. (Then Salvager needs a little help to fit in.)

Harvest fits that criteria too.

Oops, true, so to make it unique I'll change "something higher" to something specific like $5. Not that it's right anyway...
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 02:44:43 pm »
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Hmm. I don't get some of the comments people are making, but I'll post my guess.

Each of those cards can give enough coins to buy any card in the game? Secret Chamber and Vault discard for coins (so, arbitrarily high, if you increase your hand size), Salvager because you can trash a card to gain the same one (duh), trade route because of the variable value, pirate ship can go arbitrarily high.

I *think* the only remaining card with that property is Philosophers Stone.

I guess honorable mentions to all those things which can *gain* any card in the game - remodel/expand/horn of plenty/masquerade, maybe others. Honorable mentions to things with variable value that can't go quite as high.


But you said said that the Stone isn't the answer. And now that I think about it, Diadem fits that too...

Well, that's my guess. I'll keep thinking.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 02:56:12 pm »
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I'm gonna second Thisisnotasmile's guess of Copper. In any event, cool puzzle!
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 04:15:42 pm »
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Congrats to Thisisnotasmile and AJD. The answer is plain old Copper. Anyone care to explain why?
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 06:51:04 pm »
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Hmm. Maybe Cards that can produce enough coins to buy themselves?

I was thinking along similar lines but tried to get too general - but if those cards can produce enough coins to get anything that costs coins, they  can produce enough to buy themselves! Stone and Diadem are then excluded because they have non-coin costs. Copper certainly fits that! Cleverly so.

But in that case, wouldn't Embargo and Baron also work? Since Salvager does? I must still be missing something.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 06:58:52 pm »
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Hmm. Maybe Cards that can produce enough coins to buy themselves?

That's almost the answer.
The list is: all cards that can be played for +$ greater than the cost of buying the card.
If the list was a little shorter than it is, I may have changed this slightly to include Baron and Embargo.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 11:48:54 pm »
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How is lighthouse a semi honorable mention, then?
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 02:09:10 am »
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The honourable mentions (except Peddler) are cards which can be played for +$ equal to but not greater than the cost of buying the card. Lighthouse costs $2 and gives you a total of +$2, but across 2 turns, so I thought it deserved a mention, but not to same extent as Baron and Embargo.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 03:32:00 am »
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The list is: all cards that can be played for +$ greater than the cost of buying the card.
If the list was a little shorter than it is, I may have changed this slightly to include Baron and Embargo.

I think Venture belongs on the list too, if Bank does..
And if the logic were slightly amended to "can give +x$ when played" where x is larger than the printed cost on the card, then I say Trusty Steed and Diadem qualify too.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 04:04:48 am »
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I thought about Venture, but playing Venture itself only gives you +$1. It then makes you play another card or cards, buts it's these other cards that give you the rest. When you play a Bank, sure it depends on other cards (as do others on the list), but all the money you're getting is from the Bank card.

It's all about buying, rather than gaining, and the prizes can't be bought. Also, the way I worded it was specifically to exclude Diadem and Trusty Steed (and Philosopher's Stone) from the list.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2011, 11:06:58 am »
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I guess there has to be an implicit stipulation that shenanigans involving Bridge, Quarry, and Princess are excluded from consideration.
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Re: What's missing now?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2011, 08:50:30 pm »
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I guess there has to be an implicit stipulation that shenanigans involving Bridge, Quarry, and Princess are excluded from consideration.

Yeah, you're right. That's why Peddler missed the list, but I thought it deserved a mention because it is very common to buy it for $0.
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