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[theory]

But then I'd have to keep PMing the QT around ...

[Captain_Frisk]

But then I'd have to keep PMing the QT around ...

only once to each spec?

[theory]

Ah, perhaps that's the misunderstanding.  The game state is a Google spreadsheet.

[shraeye]

aha, clever.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

aha, clever.

Did you expect anything less?  It is Theory  after all.

[Kuildeous]

I'm hoping to try this game out with my lunch table at work. I don't have the cards yet, so I took a deck of regular playing cards and wrote numbers in the upper-right corner using colored Sharpies. They're not board-game enthusiasts, so I predict a dismal ending, but it'll be interesting to give it a try.

[shraeye]

I'm definitely goign to do this with some friends, get some similar decks of cards together to build my own Hanabi deck and see what happens.

[Grujah]

I gonna try it out, probably with MTG cards, they come in 5 colors with numbers in em

[Ozle]

Is it meor are the players in the game doing really well?
Or does it always start off this well?

[Kuildeous]

Is it meor are the players in the game doing really well?
Or does it always start off this well?

I suspect that being able to read previous clues helps a lot. I think Theory mentioned this at one point.

I can see it failing spectacularly in an IRL game where someone discards a 5 and he says, "Shit, I thought *this* was the 5."

Also, Dominion players tend to be more deductive, I think. I have no doubt that they'd do well in this forum.

But I haven't even played one game, so my speculations may be rubbish. 

[theory]

Is it meor are the players in the game doing really well?
Or does it always start off this well?

There is a little bit of luck at play so far -- shraeye made two blind discards, for instance, that happened to turn out OK.  All the 1's got played pretty quickly so you can give clues like X is a 1 to facilitate non-blind discards.

But otherwise this is par for the course.  It's when you start running dry on clue tokens, low on the deck, and have more painful discards when you start having to make more advanced logical deductions.

[shraeye]

These weren't blind since I hacked your computer and found your spreadsheet, bahahahaha!

Also, that hacking bit was a lie because I have no idea how computers work.

[theory]

Crap, you must have tracked my IP address with a GUI interface using Visual Basic.  If only I isolated the node.

[shraeye]

Might as well unplug your monitor right now, or your files are done for.

[Ozle]

I told you not to use the password Password!

[Kuildeous]

So, I introduced Hanabi to the lunch crowd. Not sure how much they liked it. I saw great potential, though. I had fun.

We didn't get to finish due to time constraints. I can see this being a quick game, but all four of us were new, so there was a fair amount of AP.

The hard part is not letting someone know that it's a bad move. One person was saying she was going to discard and then slowly move her hand to a card to gauge our responses. I had to tell her, "In or out." Noncommunication is hard, especially since it's a cooperative game where the only motivation to keep silent is for the sake of fair play (which is motivation enough for me, but not for everyone).

I didn't even tell one player that it's a bad move to discard blind since you might discard a 5 because she did have a 5, and that warning would have communicated the value of her hand.

When we wrapped it up prematurely, we already had one 5 in the discard pile and two 2s of the same color. One player had just drawn the 5 that would have let us finish a color.

Pretty interesting. I think they're willing to play it again now that they know the rules and common mistakes. They also know how important it is to keep track of what other people were told.

Although, talk about lucky. One clue was directed to me: "All four of your cards are 1s." As it turned out, they were all the same color, which I deduced because nobody warned me of duplicate colors. It was also dumb luck that the first person to play (second player) had the fifth 1.

I definitely will have to buy the game so I can have the real cards. Writing colored numbers in the upper-right corner of playing cards is kind of awkward.

[Voltgloss]

Although, talk about lucky. One clue was directed to me: "All four of your cards are 1s." As it turned out, they were all the same color, which I deduced because nobody warned me of duplicate colors. It was also dumb luck that the first person to play (second player) had the fifth 1.

Did you mean, "they were all DIFFERENT colors?"  Or am I horribly confused?

[Kuildeous]

Although, talk about lucky. One clue was directed to me: "All four of your cards are 1s." As it turned out, they were all the same color, which I deduced because nobody warned me of duplicate colors. It was also dumb luck that the first person to play (second player) had the fifth 1.

Did you mean, "they were all DIFFERENT colors?"  Or am I horribly confused?

Man, what the hell am I doing?

Yes, they were indeed different.

If they were all the same color, then I really suck at making Hanabi decks.

[theory]

I created a spectator QT for Hanabi I.  PM me for link (or alternatively look it up in the spreadsheet).  There's some great discussion there.

[shraeye]

This is great, now if I'm tempted to yell something into the Hanabi game thread, I can vent my thoughts to you instead.  Then the spectators get access to my frustration but I'm still obeying rules

[Ozle]

Yea, i am. Enjoying thoughts in the spec thread.

From watching this, my dad would love it i think, being a bridge fan.

But chances of getting my gaming group to play would be an exercise i n frustration, beause all it takes would be one weak link and no chance of winning!

[Kuildeous]

But chances of getting my gaming group to play would be an exercise i n frustration, beause all it takes would be one weak link and no chance of winning!

I think that's why they have the scoring track. The group can work to get as high a score as possible and set a goal to do better.

I imagine that unless your group is finely tuned with its own little code (more like a method of knowing exactly what a person wants you to do based on the clue he gave), getting 25 points would be very hard.

In the one game I played, I was thinking of a way to get this guy to play his green 3. The problem was that he had two greens and two 3s, so I felt like those clues wouldn't help. Then I remembered that he knew one of the 3s was blue (but not a 3), so I told him which two cards were 3s. He looked at me dumbfoundedly at such a "useless" clue. He said that he didn't know that the 3 was green. For all he knew, it was red. I told him that he had to think on my clue. Would I waste a clue telling him of a red 3? It was more table talk than allowed for Hanabi, I'm sure, but everyone was new, and I knew that I'd lose them if they got mired in frustration.

If your group is a well-oiled machine, I imagine this game can be easy to win. With a new group (especially if not all of them are great at logical deductions), it seems that the scoring helps keep things from getting depressing.

[Kuildeous]

BTW, if you have to use a full deck of cards as a substitute for a Hanabi game, the four cards you have left over can be used binarily (is that a word? Screw it!) to represent the eight tokens if you don't have anything handy.

I found that interesting when none of us had coins on our persons.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I've gone back and looked at all the links in the OP, read the review of the game, etc.  and I cannot find where I read about the distribution of the cards (how many 1's of each color, etc.).  Can someone help me?  I'd like to try this at home, fashioning a deck from regular playing cards.

[shraeye]

three 1s
two 2s
two 3s
two 4s
one 5

in each of the 5 suits.