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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2016, 03:21:41 am »
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h1402686 is winning the necro game.

Btw, IGG rushes aren't considered that strong anymore, not like after Hinterlands just came out. Any decent engine with trashing should beat the IGG rush handily nowadays.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2016, 08:46:19 am »
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lol remember when Ill Gotten Gains was a great card and when people thought removing 1 Curse from the pile somehow completely broke an otherwise viable strategy
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2016, 02:52:15 pm »
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lol remember when Ill Gotten Gains was a great card and when people thought removing 1 Curse from the pile somehow completely broke an otherwise viable strategy


Yeah, we were never fooled like those sad, pathetic noobs.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2016, 04:16:36 am »
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h1402686 is winning the necro game.

Btw, IGG rushes aren't considered that strong anymore, not like after Hinterlands just came out. Any decent engine with trashing should beat the IGG rush handily nowadays.
The upside of IGG is that it isn't attack, so you can circumvent things like Lighthouse and Moat (or other benefits one would get from reacting to an attack), but not Watchtower, Trader, etc.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2016, 05:09:17 pm »
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I have played many games with Ill-Gotten Gains, and every time, I feel it comes down to who gets the lucky 6-4 split on it. I understand that it depends on the set-up, but are there any strategies that tend to have a good chance of defeating it?

IGG is usually a trap. If there is no trashing, it still might be too slow to win. In the rare case that Cursing your opponent with IGG is actually good, well, you're stuck with winning the split. But usually there's a better way.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2016, 05:12:00 pm »
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Or minion.

Actually, straight Smithy BM beats Minion BM. It's close, but Smithy has the edge percentage-wise.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2016, 06:59:37 am »
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Or minion.

Actually, straight Smithy BM beats Minion BM. It's close, but Smithy has the edge percentage-wise.

Well, Minion is less trivial to play optimally - you have to consider not triggering bad reshuffles and weigh attacking your opponent vs getting money; potentially even track your opponent's deck to know when he's got a good hand. With all that, I think a perfectly executed Minion-BM can beat Smithy.
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Re: Request: Countering Ill-Gotten Gains?
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2016, 07:35:53 am »
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Or minion.

Actually, straight Smithy BM beats Minion BM. It's close, but Smithy has the edge percentage-wise.

Well, Minion is less trivial to play optimally - you have to consider not triggering bad reshuffles and weigh attacking your opponent vs getting money; potentially even track your opponent's deck to know when he's got a good hand. With all that, I think a perfectly executed Minion-BM can beat Smithy.

There's also the whole thing where playing a non-terminal draw BM strategy without any support is just unrealistic. Throw even a shitty Trasher in there or a mildly beneficial cantrip or something and Minion strategies get better. And does Minion BM buy a bunch of Silvers and Golds?
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