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What's missing?
« on: August 21, 2011, 07:05:55 am »
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What one action card can be added to the following list to make it complete?

Chapel
Mint
Secret Chamber

The answer isn't Counting House, but it gets an honorable mention.

(I hope I haven't missed any.)

And we can now add: Mercenary, Prince, Procession, Spice Merchant, Stables, Taxman
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 09:07:24 am »
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I'm seeing trash-from-hand (Chapel), trash-on-buy (Mint) and trash-on-gain (SC). Is it Feast, trash-on-play?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2011, 09:41:30 am »
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Secret Chamber does not trash on gain =/
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2011, 10:01:23 am »
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Right, I was thinking Watchtower for some reason..
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2011, 06:57:52 pm »
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King's Court is definitely missing. Honorable mentions to Pirate Ship and Horn of Plenty.

I think I'm right?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2011, 08:13:33 pm »
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I think you're right too, Young Nick.

I wouldn't have thought of Horn of Plenty (aside from the fact that it's not an Action); I had to think about it for a while to see where you might be coming from on giving it an honorable mention. Neither it nor Pirate Ship is quite as honorable as Counting House, though, I don't think.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 12:45:02 am »
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True, true. I would say the cards provided get Gold medals, Counting House gets the Silver and the other two I found are awarded Bronze. Or Gold/Silver/Copper seeing as it is Dominion. Maybe we should find a way to incorporate Platinum into there. :P
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 12:56:16 am »
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Sure, I agree with that.

Anyone elseŚnow that Young Nick has identified the missing card, can you spot the pattern? (And are there any more more-or-less honorable mentions?)
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 05:48:47 am »
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Reveal (some) cards and send it to trash.
Reveal a card and leave it in your hand
Reveal (some) cards and discard it
Reveal a card and send it to the play area


Maybe?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 08:02:48 am »
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Reveal (some) cards and send it to trash.
Reveal a card and leave it in your hand
Reveal (some) cards and discard it
Reveal a card and send it to the play area


Maybe?
Can't be, because then throne room would also be a valid solution.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 08:48:18 am »
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I have no idea what the link is here. Anyone want to give me a clue?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 08:57:52 am »
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I'm struggling myself, mostly because I fail to see a connection where King's Court fits but Throne Room doesn't.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2011, 09:02:12 am »
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Never mind, it just went click. I'm surprised there are so few cards that have that property (assuming I'm right). Gonna check for honourable mentions now.

Edit: Nope, didn't find any more. However, I disagree with HoP being an honourable mention. Do I have a different "solution" or am I missing something?

Edit2: I can see HoP fitting the property in a very very very very very rare situation. There are many others that a honourable mentions in very very very rare situations though, so I don't think that counts.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2011, 09:22:36 am »
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Cards where you may do something, you almost always want to do it, but you don't HAVE to? It's something along those lines, but it's a little more complicated than that, I think, because otherwise say Counting House wouldn't merely be an honourable mention.

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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 09:22:57 am »
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Reveal (some) cards and send it to trash.
Reveal a card and leave it in your hand
Reveal (some) cards and discard it
Reveal a card and send it to the play area


Maybe?
Can't be, because then throne room would also be a valid solution.

Maybe the difference is that you can choose whether or not to do so?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2011, 09:24:00 am »
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Lemme guess... you can play them for no effect whatsoever, i.e. the "you may" factor:

Chapel...  trash up to 4 cards (you may trash zero!)
SC... "you may" discard for cash
Mint... "you may" reveal a treasure
KC... "you may" play a card 3 times


The honorable mentions can be played for no effect: dont pick up any Coppers w/ CH; take $0 with Pirate Ship; play only the HoP when all the Curses and Coppers are gone.

Other possible honorable mentions: Library and Watchtower if your hand is large enough?  Would you accept Coppersmith in a Copperless hand?  Saboteur when your opponent has a five-card deck?  Sea Hag with a five-card deck and the Curses are gone?

They key for me was that KC counts but TR doesn't.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2011, 09:27:49 am »
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My solution, since people are starting to get there now. If you want to work it out, do not read:

They are all cards that when you play them and you can do something, you don't HAVE to. Mint and KC are both "You may". Chapel can trash 0. SC can discard 0. TR is not included because you MUST play an action card twice if you have one in hand. Counting House will have you look through your discard, but you don't have to actually put cards into your hand. Pirate ship will let you take $0 (early on). HoP only fits when it is the only card you have in play and Curses and Coppers are both depleted, as far as I can tell. There are many other cards that fit in such specifically rare situations though.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2011, 09:54:02 am »
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In that case, Native Village deserves more of an honorable mention than Pirate Ship, in my estimation, because you can 'pick up' the cards from a mat that's empty.

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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2011, 09:56:11 am »
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In that case, Native Village deserves more of an honorable mention than Pirate Ship, in my estimation, because you can 'pick up' the cards from a mat that's empty.

But it still gives you +2 Actions whether you like it or not.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2011, 10:01:35 am »
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I misread Horn of Plenty. It definitely doesn't deserve to be there.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2011, 10:15:07 am »
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I misread Horn of Plenty. It definitely doesn't deserve to be there.

Yeah, I was about to say if Horn of Plenty deserves a mention, Forge must even more so.
But both make you at least gain a copper if one is available.
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2011, 11:15:14 am »
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Ah, you guys are right; Horn of Plenty is in fact non-honorable. Drat.

Thanks for solving my puzzle!
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2011, 11:20:20 am »
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Just want to say that your two puzzles of this format have been two of the most fun I've seen. They're simple, and quickly solved, but those few moments spent solving them are much more enjoyable than spending hours trying to track exactly were every card of your deck is for perfect-shuffle-luck puzzles and the like. I'd like to see more like this!

(I tried to make a couple of my own but they were rubbish)
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2011, 11:26:05 am »
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Thank you!  :)
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2011, 09:26:47 am »
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Cellar?
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Re: What's missing?
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2011, 09:28:37 am »
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Cellar?

Provides +1 Action whether you like it or not.
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