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[Galzria]

I would absolutely offer that up as the second most suspected player as a gambit for town credit.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Because as soon as the hammer falls on the townie, you look scummy as hell. There's no expectation of town cred to be gained from making that statement.

[Galzria]

That said, the rest of what you say intrigues me. Give me some time to chew it over.

[Galzria]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

[Insomniac]

I would absolutely offer that up as the second most suspected player as a gambit for town credit.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Because as soon as the hammer falls on the townie, you look scummy as hell. There's no expectation of town cred to be gained from making that statement.

How is it? Is that not EXACTLY what happened?

[Insomniac]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

[Galzria]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

But it didn't.

[Insomniac]

Anyhow there is no point leaving my vote where it has 0% chance of hitting scum when at least someone agrees that Grujah is scum.

Vote: Grujah

I WILL hammer myself if I get to L-1 because I'm quite tired of how town has played this game. Hammering PR claims day 1 which is dumb, and giving town credit where none is deserved.

[Insomniac]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

But it didn't.

It didn't go through because YOU and ROBZ (the cop) defended me, how could I have counted on that at all as scum?

[Galzria]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

But it didn't.

It didn't go through because YOU and ROBZ (the cop) defended me, how could I have counted on that at all as scum?

How could Grujah have counted on saying "If he's town I deserve to die!" giving him town cred, knowing full well that Robz WAS town and he would look scummy as hell when Robz flipped?

You want town cred for a result, but don't want to give it for another.

[Insomniac]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

But it didn't.

It didn't go through because YOU and ROBZ (the cop) defended me, how could I have counted on that at all as scum?

How could Grujah have counted on saying "If he's town I deserve to die!" giving him town cred, knowing full well that Robz WAS town and he would look scummy as hell when Robz flipped?

You want town cred for a result, but don't want to give it for another.

I don't want town credit, I just don't think it's even potential to be a calculated scum gambit. I think Grujah's is far more likely to be a scum gambit while mine is more likely to be a townie imploding but eh what do I know not like I've played however many games here as town.

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 3.2:

Insomniac (3): Cuzz, shraeye, Grujah
Grujah (2): Archetype, Insomniac

Not Voting (4): Eevee, jotheonah, Galzria, yuma

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Currently Cursed: jotheonah, Grujah

Curse deadline: Thursday Nov 1, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)
Lynch deadline: Tuesday Nov 6, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)

[Galzria]

FWIW, your self-vote VS his 1-1 request:

Three self-vote looked FAR and away more like a calculated move to buy town cred, knowing you would never actually get lynched for it.

Eh? I got up to 4 votes, and even then the only reason it didn't go through is because you and Robz defended me. And Robz wasn't scum so I guess that makes the scum team you me and ash if it was a ploy. Because otherwise there is no way I could have counted on having anyone defend me and if Robz didn't defend me you'd look scummy as crap for defending me so I couldn't count on ANYONE defending me and thus it was entirely possible that my lynch would have gone through instead.

But it didn't.

It didn't go through because YOU and ROBZ (the cop) defended me, how could I have counted on that at all as scum?

How could Grujah have counted on saying "If he's town I deserve to die!" giving him town cred, knowing full well that Robz WAS town and he would look scummy as hell when Robz flipped?

You want town cred for a result, but don't want to give it for another.

I don't want town credit, I just don't think it's even potential to be a calculated scum gambit. I think Grujah's is far more likely to be a scum gambit while mine is more likely to be a townie imploding but eh what do I know not like I've played however many games here as town.

I've been scum twice in 9 games. Town in the other 7.
You've been scum twice in 8 games. Town in the other 6.

I've got more town than you.

I'm just saying, from a, say, Mafia Goon standpoint, I would far, far more often offer to sacrifice myself when I have 0 suspicion, knowing a town is on the chopping block, because I come out looking damn good for defending a townie after he's lynched - than I would say "lynch me if he's town", knowing a town is on the chopping block and I come out looking scummy as hell after he's lynched.

[Galzria]

I'm not using that to argue you're scumminess either though - because I think you're exactly what you claim - a frustrated townie. Especially then. Yeah, I believe that about you. And to me, your actions since then haven't appeared all that scummy either. It's just that the two events, in a vacuum, yours reads more like calculating scum than Grujah's.

[Eevee]

I'm conftown. I have two town reads. There are two wagons. Ding ding.

[Insomniac]

@Eevee: Who are your scum reads? and what about the case on Grujah do you find uncompelling similarily what do you find uncompelling about the case on me.

[Galzria]

Vote: Archetype

Don't know if was before or not, but he's now got the highest chance to be scum imo.

[Insomniac]

Vote: Archetype

Don't know if was before or not, but he's now got the highest chance to be scum imo.

What did you find uncompelling about the rest of my case IE the ash relations.

[Insomniac]

Also do you really think ash would have put his scumbuddy at the bottom of his suspicion list?

[Galzria]

Also do you really think ash would have put his scumbuddy at the bottom of his suspicion list?

Yes, I absolutely do. I also think scum Arch would adamantly say "I don't like the Ash lynch, we should lynch Frisk, Galz, or Eevee instead".

I also note that he was a very high suspect of both Robz AND CF, for very different reasons.

I'll be putting a full case together with quotes later on the plethora of things that have stood out in his posts.

And speaking of posts, there's been a whopping total of 39. Next lowest is Yuma, at 57, then Joth/Shraeye/Cuzz at nearly double Arch's, in their 70's.

[Insomniac]

Also do you really think ash would have put his scumbuddy at the bottom of his suspicion list?

Yes, I absolutely do. I also think scum Arch would adamantly say "I don't like the Ash lynch, we should lynch Frisk, Galz, or Eevee instead".

I also note that he was a very high suspect of both Robz AND CF, for very different reasons.

I'll be putting a full case together with quotes later on the plethora of things that have stood out in his posts.

And speaking of posts, there's been a whopping total of 39. Next lowest is Yuma, at 57, then Joth/Shraeye/Cuzz at nearly double Arch's, in their 70's.

at least half of jos have to be simply chickenvoting for the person he's already voting for

[Galzria]

Also do you really think ash would have put his scumbuddy at the bottom of his suspicion list?

Yes, I absolutely do. I also think scum Arch would adamantly say "I don't like the Ash lynch, we should lynch Frisk, Galz, or Eevee instead".

I also note that he was a very high suspect of both Robz AND CF, for very different reasons.

I'll be putting a full case together with quotes later on the plethora of things that have stood out in his posts.

And speaking of posts, there's been a whopping total of 39. Next lowest is Yuma, at 57, then Joth/Shraeye/Cuzz at nearly double Arch's, in their 70's.

at least half of jos have to be simply chickenvoting for the person he's already voting for

True, but when you spend half the game as a chicken, there's only so much you can say.

Even then, he's managed twice as much!

[Jorbles]

Thread locked.

[Jorbles]

jotheonah was really tired of being a chicken. He'd eaten the bugs, the corn, flapped his wings and clucked, and to make it worse Grujah the chicken had just been following him around because he already knew the ropes. Grujah had been eating the grass he'd been eating, and he was tired of sharing it. It was a relief when he felt the familiar feeling of his return to humanity. Grujah on the other hand kindof missed the feel of being a chicken. So he plucked a piece of grass from the ground and chewed on it when he became human again.

Galzria was about to feel what it was like for the first time. Locked into a debate with Insomniac he almost didn't notice he was a chicken until his responses went from human sounding to avian.

"What do you think about—chicken chicken chicken chicken?" he asked as he was transformed mid sentence. 

Currently Cursed: Galzria <--HEY GALZRIA DON'T MISS THIS. THE NEXT PUNISHMENT WILL BE WORSE THAN GRUJAH'S.

jotheonah is no longer hated. Grujah still is.

Curse deadline: Sunday Nov 4, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)
Lynch deadline: Tuesday Nov 6, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)

[Jorbles]

THREAD UNLOCKED

[Insomniac]

And Galz isn't the random curser.