ashersky starts out the day kinda lurky and has an early vote for shraeye, but his first major vote was on Robz for his involvement in the Voltgloss chicken conspiracy theory.
So then Robz comes in on the Volt plot side.
The discussion that follows is the likelihood/ability for scum to have planned it out. I think it's consensus that everyone who's played with Volt before could have expected volt to take the lead he did.
Robz comes back, ignoring that portion of the conversation, and again makes strong statements of suspicion against Volt. Note: what I think is scummy about that (post 452 for reference) is that he continues to try and make it seem like it is someone else's idea, but I think by that point, it's been discussed enough that its disingenuous to do that.
A few posts later, he says he assumes Volt got chickened intentionally. volt gives us his reads, with Robz at the top of his list, Robz does his wink wink post.
I think that is the whole of the Volt plot thread. My take is that while Volt could have planned all this, I don't think it's the most likely scenario. I do think looking at how all that discussion about it played out is very useful though, and I think Robz looks worst there. Pushing the a volt suspicion, trying to look like he's sheeping something that's stronger than it really is, his jokey brush off of volt's suspicion...all together gives me a strong scum vibe. Enough for a vote: Robz.
Shortly after is one of ashersky's oddest moments and one that Robz picked up heavily on was his calling out eevee for being hedgy.
Not sure the answer to your question, but I wasn't going after it so much as pointing out it sounded hedgy.
to which Robz responded:
Ashersky is always a shady character, but I think he's much shadier in this game than usual. He wasn't criticizing Eevee's hedginess, just pointing it out? What's the point of that? He's finger-pointing, and when he's called out on it, he says he didn't mean anything by it. Quite scummy behavior.
This conversation continues for a couple of posts with Robz having the last word:
But it doesn't make much sense to point out hedginess if you aren't actually going to argue that it's scummy. Pointing it out for the sake of pointing it out is scummy, because it's as if you're just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks.
to which ash never responds to or again tries to defend.
Instead Ash adds a bit to his case on Robz:
I wanted to point out two more nuggets for the Robz case--lost in all of this was Robz reply #368, which raised some concern at the time (this was Robz "completely agreeing" with everything Insom said), which I think is indicative of some of Robz odd/scummy play this game. It's also a good example of many of Robz's fluff posts that inflate his "non-lurker" post count.
I would also point out Robz #381, in which he states his firm belief that scum want to get on town wagons early, for strategic sake. And then I'd note he is second on my wagon after Insom voted me at 4:21 a.m. (my time) for "lurkiness" even when I wasn't even the low post count at the time.
So, in short, I'm good with my Robz vote still.
he adds some commentary about jot
Joth is at 4 votes, his self-vote sounds like frustration? Giving up? I don't know.
I'm tempted to vote for Eevee for his Grujah vote, trying to derail the joth wagon without a reason (given in that post). But then I'd be doing the same thing.
I could vote Joth if needed, and he'd be at L-2. I think enough of us are around to unvote if we think something fishy is going on.
Joth, anything more to say? Care to unvote yourself?
and then very shortly after votes jot for his self vote after being convinced by Robz... who he has a scum read on? But his vote there doesn't last very long as he changes his vote to Robz with his last post of the day.
vote: Robz
I studied the wagons again, and my original and strongest scum read matches up with others I think are towny (Grujah, Galz), and I still trust that read the best.
We can't no lynch today. It's night here and deadline is 6 am my time. I am good with this vote, have been all day.
At this point he was the 5th vote on Robz. Previous voters were Galz, Voltgloss, jot and Grujah. But all eventually left the robz wagon for various reasons before the end of day and before rejoining it.
I think my main issue with him is his "strong" scum read on Robz when I think--and Robz argued--that it was based on flimsy evidence. It does seem rather forced. His initial vote is based off the voltgloss conspiracy theory, which never held much water for me. He backs it up with "robz completely agreed with insomniac" which was odd, but not necessarily scummy and that Robz did what said scum would do in trying to join a wagon early.
In addition I looked at his post totals. According to the print screen ash has 38 posts; I split them into categories--obviously there is some amount of objectivity to that, but I think the results were interesting anyways.
asks someone a simple question: 3
provides unique analysis: 5
quick response or pat of an ongoing conversation: 14
pregame/RVS/fluff: 8
theory talk: 8
So nearly half of his posts are fluff or theory talk. There is some unique analysis, but not a lot. He has quite a few quick responses and actually participates in more back and forth conversations than he gives himself credit for.
I could easily vote for ash, but want to look at Galz and a few others first. Actually, I will
vote: ashersky now. If I think Galz or someone else is scummier, I can change it.
PPE: beat you to it eevee. Shraeye I do think going back and looking at Volt's reads is a good idea. But I started with Robz because volt's main read was Robz (town) so I know that volt was wrong whereas I am not sure if Robz is or not.
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