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[Archetype]

Jorbles, any reason the Curse and Lynch deadline are separate?

[ashersky]

Chicken vote: jotheonah

Joth is at 4 votes, his self-vote sounds like frustration?  Giving up?  I don't know.

I'm tempted to vote for Eevee for his Grujah vote, trying to derail the joth wagon without a reason (given in that post).  But then I'd be doing the same thing.

I could vote Joth if needed, and he'd be at L-2.  I think enough of us are around to unvote if we think something fishy is going on.

Joth, anything more to say?  Care to unvote yourself?

PPE: Cuzz

I still personally find Eevee more suspicious, due to the Grujah thing and change in demeanor, but no one else has really expressed agreement. So I would be willing to go along with a Robz lynch.

I had mentioned Eevee suspicion before, based on a change of demeanor, but don't think he's a good lynch candidate for today.  He's gotten townier as the day has progressed, back towards his norm.

[Jorbles]

Jorbles, any reason the Curse and Lynch deadline are separate?

Because they are not always going to be happening at the same time, and I want to keep the formatting the same for all Vote Counts.

[Eevee]

My "weird behavior" was just having a bad day or two day IRL I think. I apologize for that. Unless you think my behavior is still weird ofc.

I said it earlier: I don't think a chicken is a good lynch target because chickens can't convey emotion (or much anything) in their posts, so reading their reactions to the lynch treat is harder. I voted Grujah because he seemed the alternative wagon I'd like more than the joth wagon.

[Archetype]

Jorbles, any reason the Curse and Lynch deadline are separate?

Because they are not always going to be happening at the same time, and I want to keep the formatting the same for all Vote Counts.

Makes much more sense, I thought they both ended at the same time.

Chicken vote: jotheonah

Joth is at 4 votes, his self-vote sounds like frustration?  Giving up?  I don't know.

Or to trick us into not voting for him.

[Cuzz]

Cuzz, how is "the Grujah thing" more of a scum move than a townie mistake from me? I think it has blown out of proportion a bit anyways, I don't think it was THAT big of a deal.

Cuzz is actually looking scummy to me too, but it might only be because I think he unfairly suspects me.

Because I have no clue of your alignment, Eevee, (though I do think you're more likely than anyone else to be scum) so you telling me that it's a "townie mistake" means nothing. Of course scum would claim a "townie mistake" when called out for scummy behavior. I found it scummy because you tried to hop right in the middle of a quickly growing wagon, while trying to steer attention away from your vote by saying it was for "pressure." I also just think that you don't seem like normal super friendly, townie Eevee this game. And I really don't see how genuine scumhunting on my part can be called "unfair."

After MXII when I was the only one to suspect Insomniac early, I'm trying this thing where I don't let my scumreads sputter out just because no one else agrees with me.

[Cuzz]

Jorbles, any reason the Curse and Lynch deadline are separate?

Because they are not always going to be happening at the same time, and I want to keep the formatting the same for all Vote Counts.

Makes much more sense, I thought they both ended at the same time.

Chicken vote: jotheonah

Joth is at 4 votes, his self-vote sounds like frustration?  Giving up?  I don't know.

Or to trick us into not voting for him.

I really don't understand self-votes. I can't fathom why a townie would do this, but every time I've seen it happen, it actually has turned out to be a townie.

[Eevee]

I think I've been my friendly self apart from those two days where I behaving the same way in another game we shan't talk about now if anyone is following.

You still haven't explained to me the benefit of intentionally "making the mistake" as scum? Do you propose I was hoping the Grujah wagon takes off and covering for myself for the future when Grujah flips town? If so, why don't you have a town read on Grujah? Do you propose Grujah is my scumbuddy and I was trying to derail the lynch with the comment? If so, why did I vote for him?

For one, I don't think the comment was such a huge deal you are making it to be. And two, I don't think it tells anything about my alignment either way, because scum would get no benefit of doing it intentionally.

[Robz888]

Well, I am happy to be voting for someone who is voting for himself.

[yuma]

I am here and about to reread everything that I have missed since yesterday morning. Does anyone have anything specific for me to answer or look at as I do so?

[Eevee]

I am here and about to reread everything that I have missed since yesterday morning. Does anyone have anything specific for me to answer or look at as I do so?

We need a lynch candidate asap. Try to look for people you'd be comfortable lynching, that's pretty much all that matters now.

[ashersky]

Well, I am happy to be voting for someone who is voting for himself.

I actually think this is a fair statement.  It's anti-town behavior, at the very least, as he's not helping town at all by self-voting if he's town.  If it's scum wifom, well, lynching scum is our goal so worth the risk.

vote: joth

[Grujah]

Busy these days. But:

1. shraeye - I don't know, not much, slight scum vibe. Wouldn't object lynching, but not too hot about it.
2. Robz888 - Acting strangely, I hafta admit. Would lynch.
3. Voltgloss - Generally normal Volt, tries hard even as chicken, slight town read.
4. Eevee - Too cocky lately - would lynch.
5. yuma - invisible. Would lynch cuz he is known for this.
6. Galzria - Nothing too spectacular, generally town read. Wouldn't lynch.
7. Insomniac - Top lynch, overall scummy, stated reasons before, didn't improve.
8. ashersky - meh, his been making weird looking cases all around, on a scummy side, below Robz though, I think. Would lynch.
Also, recent reaction to jo's jo vote looks fake.
9. Captain_Frisk - Lurky, was a bit scummy on start, sligh scum read, Wouldn't object lynching, but not too hot about it.
10. Grujah - Hi.
11. Archetype - Neutral. Don't care.
12. jotheonah - lurk heavy. Would lynch. This self vote doesn't help.
13. Cuzz - Towny read, trust him, plays naturally. Wouldn't lynch.

[Grujah]

Newest ash's comment seems as fake as last one.

[ashersky]

Newest ash's comment seems as fake as last one.

Fake like I don't believe what I'm saying?

I've been clear on robz the entire time.  I'll gladly return to Robz if that's the route we go as town.  But there is some urgency to this now, as I strongly think no-lynch is a terrible idea.

I mentioned my thoughts on Jo previously, including noting his lurking.  Do you disagree that self-voting as town is anti-town?

[Grujah]

Jo voted himself MIV, he was VT. I think I'd rather lynch Robz (or even ash), and this jo's thing looks like town jo.. but I just can't let it go. He should know better.

Why the frak would he do that now? Jeeeeez.

Vote: jotheonah


PPE: Fake as in "you're scum and trying to sound town the best you can".

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.10:

Eevee (1): Cuzz
Robz888 (3): Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss
Cuzz (1): yuma
jotheonah (6): Insomniac, Robz888, jotheonah, Archetype, ashersky, Grujah
Grujah (1): Eevee
Not voting (1): shraeye

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Currently Cursed: Voltgloss, jotheonah

Curse deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)
Lynch deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)

edit: Had Grujah voting twice. Fixed now.

[yuma]

Ok... recap mostly for my sake, but hey, look at it if you want...

 - Volt thinks town targeted him whereas jot thinks it was the random curse.

 - The ashersky/Robz conversation about hedging was interesting... I haven't really found ash scummy up to this point, but did find that interaction to be on the scummier side

 - In almost every post Robz declares that there is no case on him and asks for them, even when people provide cases. Just because you disagree with a case doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you are town, obviously you disagree with it, if you are scum obviously you have to say you disagree with it.  I would rather see a response to the allegations than a denial of their credibility.

 - I do think Voltgloss is capable of having scum put the chicken on him, but that is no reason to vote this early and in light of volt's behavior otherwise. It may be something to consider during later days thou.

 - eevee's first vote on jot was a bit weird... "everyone quick don't vote for Robz! Everyone quick vote for jot... because he has received no pressure thus far?" Hmmm.... but then I see he changes it to me

 - in the Galz/Robz exchange regarding jot I think I side with Galz

 - Ug... really don't like jot's vote on himself... simply because I don't want to vote for him, but I do not want to ever create a precedence for scum to be able to self vote to get rid of pressure in the future... But in this game, I don't think it is a good enough reason to vote. I think jot is frusrated and is trying to communicate that frustration via a self chicken vote.

 - surprised no one has put together Volt's full case on Robz together... Here I'll do it with post numbers and maybe quote all of it later for everyone... 421; 190; 289; 290; 296; 310; 359; 373; 388; 390; 467;

could am/voting for: Cuzz (still have a scum read, but nobody wanted to join me here? why not?) Grujah, Eevee, Archetype

Middle Ground: ashersky, shraeye, Robz, Frisk, Insomniac

Not ok with: jotheonah, voltgloss, Galzria

I'll look a bit closer at the other 4 and get a vote down soonish

PPE (so many!)

[Eevee]

I guess we need Joth to claim then?

[yuma]

I guess we need Joth to claim then?

I would also like to chickenhear from voltgloss regarding jot... I know that earlier he had jot pretty high on his supicion list--up there with robz and grujah--but I wonder if anything has changed since then.

And I know that I shouldn't really be complaining about lack of posting, but the last time Frisk posted it was October 19th 8 pm forum time... that is a long time ago. Is he V/LA and I didn't realize it. Has it been long enough for a prod?

[yuma]

I guess we need Joth to claim then?

I would also like to chickenhear from voltgloss regarding jot... I know that earlier he had jot pretty high on his supicion list--up there with robz and grujah--but I wonder if anything has changed since then.

And I know that I shouldn't really be complaining about lack of posting, but the last time Frisk posted it was October 19th 8 pm forum time... that is a long time ago. Is he V/LA and I didn't realize it. Has it been long enough for a prod?

Strike that... Frisk did say in the VLA thread that he would be busy today and he typically isn't active overweekends.... and would be posting later tonight

[jotheonah]

Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken.

[Eevee]

Again, could someone who speaks chicken translate? I forgot to copypaste the rules and don't remember what page they were on.

[Voltgloss]

Chicken Vote: Eevee

Chicken chicken chicken chicken.
Chicken.
Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken.

Chicken Unvote
Chicken Vote: Robz888

[jotheonah]

Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken.

Chicken.