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[shraeye]

YOU are the OMGUSer, not me. I voted for you first, man.

Could we stop using OMGUS like it's a serious thing.  It really isn't at this point.  All of f.DS gets so hopped up about OMGUS votes, that all scum know they shouldn't do it.  So that that it ever does is serve as a nice town v. town distraction, or a classy way for scum to push suspicion further onto a towny that they decided to vote for.

Also with regard to the Robz wagon, I agree that something fishy is going on.  Or at least something bad.  I have no idea what the case is.  Everybody seems to be voting for him for either nebulous reasons, completely different reasons, or totally nonexistant (sheeping) reasons.

What the hell is the case against him?  If this could be stated by somebody and agreed by others, I'd be a lot less angry/suspicious at this ridiculous wagon.

[Voltgloss]

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Chicken Unvote
Chicken Vote: Robz888

[Eevee]

If that was supposed to convey something, can anyone translate?

[Grujah]

I think those are all post numbers. 421 (Volt's big post) than 190 (a comment about robz going quite after a post). Can't do rest right now.

[Voltgloss]

Chicken Vote: Grujah

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Chicken Unvote
Chicken Vote: Robz888

[Archetype]

Did a bit of catching up, not too much for me to say except: I don't think Robz is scum.

I think scum found Robz as an easy bandwagon target and are using that to get him lynched. The same thing was going to happen to Grujah before he responded and the bandwagon got dropped.

I'm going to go back and check the people on the Grujah wagon, and those on the Robz wagon and see if I can find any similarities.

[Archetype]

Grujah Wagon: Voltgloss, Robz888, Eevee, Captain_Frisk

Robz Wagon: Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss, ashersky, jotheonah

I'm going to do a: Fos: C_F

And a Vote: Voltgloss Would scum chickenize themselves to avoid suspicion? As smart as Voltgloss is, I think yes.

[Robz888]

Grujah Wagon: Voltgloss, Robz888, Eevee, Captain_Frisk

Robz Wagon: Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss, ashersky, jotheonah

I'm going to do a: Fos: C_F

And a Vote: Voltgloss Would scum chickenize themselves to avoid suspicion? As smart as Voltgloss is, I think yes.

The only problem with this thoery is, well, I don't really think who voted for Grujah matters much. My vote for him was serious, and I'm sure the others were too... but it was never actually going to lead to lynch. It was too quick. So I'm not sure that mafia had to make the decision to drive, deflect, avoid, or join the wagon. It just wasn't going to matter.

Separately, I do find it suspicious that so many of the experts are voting for me when there is no reason to do so.

[Archetype]

Grujah Wagon: Voltgloss, Robz888, Eevee, Captain_Frisk

Robz Wagon: Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss, ashersky, jotheonah

I'm going to do a: Fos: C_F

And a Vote: Voltgloss Would scum chickenize themselves to avoid suspicion? As smart as Voltgloss is, I think yes.

The only problem with this thoery is, well, I don't really think who voted for Grujah matters much. My vote for him was serious, and I'm sure the others were too... but it was never actually going to lead to lynch. It was too quick. So I'm not sure that mafia had to make the decision to drive, deflect, avoid, or join the wagon. It just wasn't going to matter.

Separately, I do find it suspicious that so many of the experts are voting for me when there is no reason to do so.

True, but Eevee's pressure vote comment made it seem like it could have been.

[yuma]

Gah... my interent has been down since early morning and it is finally back on now that I am about to head to sleep. Haven't read anything since early this morning... Depending on amount will try to reread and post something before bed.

[yuma]

reread didn't happen... you'll have to wait til tomorrow after work.

Man this is super frustrating as today was supposed to be my mafia catch up day.

Stupid Comcast.

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.7:
Grujah (1): Eevee
Insomniac (1): Grujah
Eevee (1): Cuzz
ashersky (2): Insomniac, Robz888
Robz888 (5): Galzria, Captain_Frisk, ashersky, jotheonah, Voltgloss
Cuzz (1): yuma
Voltgloss (1): Archetype
Not voting (1): shraeye

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Currently Cursed: Voltgloss, jotheonah

Curse deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)
Lynch deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)

[Eevee]

Wug the lynch deadline is tomorrow!?

Everyone abandon the Robz wagon asap or we won't have time to build a new one?
Vote: jotheonah no one is suspecting him, that's always scummy. Grujah was an ok place for my vote too.

[Insomniac]

So sorry for the absence as I noted elsewhere was unavailable Friday and them a friend came over from out of town yesterday and today was my grandpas 70th birthday.

anyways I could see robz being scum and some of his play has seemed quite different from normal and robz did say in the next game he was scum he was going to try to be obvscum to try and get away with it but wifom and I believe robz to be town.

Mostly because robz has even getting lynched a lot lately as town so I'm inclined to believe he is playing different to try to be more useful to town

[Jorbles]

Wug the lynch deadline is tomorrow!?

Everyone abandon the Robz wagon asap or we won't have time to build a new one?
Vote: jotheonah no one is suspecting him, that's always scummy. Grujah was an ok place for my vote too.

Technically you have 38+ hours for the lynch (time zones).

[Robz888]

There isn't a single player right now who I could name as likely town, so I would literally vote for anyone other than myself.

I have yet to understand the case against me from a Frisk/Galzria/Jotheonah perspective. I get why Volt and ashersky might not like me, as I've been after them more than others.

For me, ashersky is the best choice. I did not like him calling out hedginess, and then retreating to "Well, I didn't say hedginess was suspicious!" If you call something out, you're making something of it. And he did lurk earlier. Actually, if someone would do a post count, perhaps we could simply lynch whomever has the fewest posts? I'm sure we have a better than 1/13 chance of killing scum if we do that, fwiw.

[jotheonah]

Chicken vote: Robz. Chicken.

[Eevee]

I forgot Joth is a chicken.. He can't really defending himself or give out town vibes in that condition, so Unvote.

Vote: yuma Similar reasons than joth. I'm fine with any wagon I don't dislike.

[ashersky]

So, a post count, total posts:

Name:  Total/Pre-Chickening/percentage of total posts

Shraeye:  32/27/7.5%
Robz888:  46/26/10.7%
Voltgloss:  37/32/8.6%
Eevee:  49/32/11.4%
yuma:  13/10/3%
Galz:  29/28/6.8%
Insom:  47/46/11%
ashersky: 23/17/5.4%
CF:  51/51/11.9%
Grujah:  42/31/9.8%
Arch:  15/10/3.5%
joth:  13/8/3%
Cuzz:  32/25/7.5%

For what it's worth, here's everyone's contribution.  Now, this counts every post, including RVS but after thread unlock.  It also doesn't combine multiple posts in a row, as some folks (i.e. Robz) do often.  Still, for those who like post counts, here it is.

Of course, take into account V/LA and such.  If anyone has a recount of who was V/LA for any amount of time, you could post that.

[Cuzz]

So, a post count, total posts:

Name:  Total/Pre-Chickening/percentage of total posts

Shraeye:  32/27/7.5%
Robz888:  46/26/10.7%
Voltgloss:  37/32/8.6%
Eevee:  49/32/11.4%
yuma:  13/10/3%
Galz:  29/28/6.8%
Insom:  47/46/11%
ashersky: 23/17/5.4%
CF:  51/51/11.9%
Grujah:  42/31/9.8%
Arch:  15/10/3.5%
joth:  13/8/3%
Cuzz:  32/25/7.5%

For what it's worth, here's everyone's contribution.  Now, this counts every post, including RVS but after thread unlock.  It also doesn't combine multiple posts in a row, as some folks (i.e. Robz) do often.  Still, for those who like post counts, here it is.

Of course, take into account V/LA and such.  If anyone has a recount of who was V/LA for any amount of time, you could post that.

I'm not sure how you calculated this, since a quick check shows I should have at least 5 more posts than you give me credit for if you're truly counting every post. Even still, post counts reek of IIoA if you don't interpret the data. I had the same issue when Frisk did this a while ago. What are we supposed to take from this? Are you in favor of just lynching those with fewest posts like Robz is?

I forgot Joth is a chicken.. He can't really defending himself or give out town vibes in that condition, so Unvote.

Vote: yuma Similar reasons than joth. I'm fine with any wagon I don't dislike.

Eevee seems to be taking the route of voting for those with lowest contribution here. I'm not in favor of a yuma lynch since he has RL reasons for being quiet (like joth) and has been rather helpful when he has been here (unlike joth) so I have a somewhat townie read on him now despite him being the only one voting for me (why do none of my townreads ever return the favor?)

Eevee still seems scummiest to me, so I think I'll write up a case on him soonish and see what others think.

But yeah, I'd be ok with lynching plenty of people today. Getting slightly scummy vibes from (in no particular order):

Robz (though not as strong as others seem to be; have to reread),
ashersky (though he always seems kinda like this even as town),
Insomniac (due to Grujah wagon nonsense),
Frisk (ditto), and
joth (lurking, though not sure about lynching a chicken).

That's a lot of people. Just to complete the list, I have slight townreads on Volt and yuma, neutral reads on shraeye, Galz, Grujah and Archetype.

[Grujah]

Wug the lynch deadline is tomorrow!?

Everyone abandon the Robz wagon asap or we won't have time to build a new one?
Vote: jotheonah no one is suspecting him, that's always scummy. Grujah was an ok place for my vote too.

Look, I'd like to lynch jo mostly because he contributed exactly NOTHING whole D1. You're reason sucks though.

[ashersky]

@Cuzz

I did the count because Robz requested one.  I don't put much stock in post count numbers, since it doesn't take into consideration quality of posts, etc.

If you want a read from me based on lurkiness, I'd say Arch had the least content and no excuses for his absence.  Joth as well, although he is a chicken now, so tough to say.  Robz and CF have inflated counts from multi-posts.  I think the lynch all lurkers thing has probably prompted scum to post more, so I'd expect at least one of the more prolific posters to be mafia.

I've offered my scum read on Robz.  Shraeye had seemed scummy based on attitude and especially a different style of posting.  On reread during my count (I just did a show all and tallied by pen and paper) Eevee and Grujah seemed townish.  Volt as well, until chickening.  Null or neutral on most everyone else.

So I'd be okay with lynches of Robz for my previous case, Joth or Arch for lack of content on D1, maybe could see a case on Shraeye for his style/meta change.

[Robz888]

Archetype is pretty lurking generally, though. I'm not sure what Jo or yuma's excuses are.

Actually, I wonder if scum Jo is a hyper lurker, or something. That... is something I could imagine. Okay, I'm maybe okay with a Joth vote.

[Eevee]

Archetype is pretty lurking generally, though. I'm not sure what Jo or yuma's excuses are.

Actually, I wonder if scum Jo is a hyper lurker, or something. That... is something I could imagine. Okay, I'm maybe okay with a Joth vote.

Joth has a new job, although apparently it's only starting next week or something because he has time to mod the bastard mafia game. Yuma has lots of laboratory work / general business? Archetype is indeed always on the silent side, and I have liked his contributions here (although he has been town earlier so it might actually be a bad thing). Joth lynch would be cool, but as a chicken he can't really explain his behavior or make emotional defenses or anything like that, so that's why I'd rather pick someone else.

[Robz888]

Archetype is pretty lurking generally, though. I'm not sure what Jo or yuma's excuses are.

Actually, I wonder if scum Jo is a hyper lurker, or something. That... is something I could imagine. Okay, I'm maybe okay with a Joth vote.

Joth has a new job, although apparently it's only starting next week or something because he has time to mod the bastard mafia game. Yuma has lots of laboratory work / general business? Archetype is indeed always on the silent side, and I have liked his contributions here (although he has been town earlier so it might actually be a bad thing). Joth lynch would be cool, but as a chicken he can't really explain his behavior or make emotional defenses or anything like that, so that's why I'd rather pick someone else.

But Joth did have time to start bastard mafia, as you note. He was quiet even before he was chickened. He's been active in other games. I dunno. This seems odd for him, and it's plausible that it's odd in a scummy way, since town Jo in previous games has been demonstrably active and accusatory.