Topic: Baseball playoffs, 2012!! (Read 35741 times)

greatexpectations · « **Reply #150 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:00:30 pm »

carlos beltran - so hot he might be nsfw

Galzria · « **Reply #151 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:32:39 pm »

Any thoughts RE: Holliday's slide last night? Dirty or clean? Inside or out of the "spirit of the rule"?

Obviously as a Giant's fan I can't be pleased, but I'm very happy with the way the Giant's handled it. You don't get payback by knocking the guy in the ear with high heat - you get even by taking your anger out on the opposing pitcher. The last thing any team wants to do is wake up a slumbering offense (and there is no question the Giant's were sleeping sound prior to that).

As for the slide itself... I think it was uncalled for. Had that been Pablo tackling late the Cardinal's would be in an uproar - and quite right to be so. It was beyond a "good, clean hard slide". I have no doubt Holliday meant no harm to Scutero, but the play wasn't safe, and it IS how people get hurt. "I'm sorry" just doesn't cut it when you're talking about someone's season - especially this late in the year.

I think you'll see the Giant's plunk Holliday next year, probably in his back (not head), and I doubt you'll hear too much complaining from the Cardinal players (fans are another question). That's baseball. But I hate seeing anybody put at risk due to an over aggressive, unsafe play. And that's how I saw the slide.

Lekkit · « **Reply #152 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:59:39 pm »

I don't think the slide was fair.

greatexpectations · « **Reply #153 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:01:39 pm »

holliday into scutaro

compare with:
swisher into nishioka
utley into tejada

it's a dirty play that i'd love for mlb to ban, just as i want them to get rid of home plate collisions. as a giants fan, you probably agree there. but to me, his slide was still totally within the rules. i would argue that the other two i linked (first two off the top of my head) are just as bad or worse, and similar plays happen all the time.

the difference here was that
A. the slide legitimately prevented the double play and could have been key in extending the inning
B. there was some degree of injury
C. the slide took place during a playoff game on a national stage.

take even one of those away and there is less discussion. im pretty sure this slide has already seen more coverage and angst than swisher's slide which broke a friggin leg.

Lekkit · « **Reply #154 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:15:08 pm »

Wait, so you are allowed to slide/tackle a baseman to prevent him from throwing the ball? Because that's what I get their intent was.

greatexpectations · « **Reply #155 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:23:36 pm »

Quote from: Lekkit on October 16, 2012, 02:15:08 pm

Wait, so you are allowed to slide/tackle a baseman to prevent him from throwing the ball? Because that's what I get their intent was.

unfortunately, yes. you are also allowed to collide with the catcher on a play at home plate if he is blocking your path to home. going into second base, i believe you just have to A. stay in the baseline/be able to touch second base with the slide and B. have some part of your body on the ground before contact so that it is a slide and not a tackle. i'll go look up the official rule and edit it in here.

edit:
rule 7.09.d/e appear to be the relevant rules here. with the clarification on rule 7.09.d, as long as you are just continuing your attempt to the base you are probably ok. as toolshed points out though, you still have to adhere to rules 7.08.a.

Toolshed113 · « **Reply #156 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:24:05 pm »

Quote from: Lekkit on October 16, 2012, 02:15:08 pm

Wait, so you are allowed to slide/tackle a baseman to prevent him from throwing the ball? Because that's what I get their intent was.

Yes, though you're supposed to stay in the basepath. Some of these slides take liberty with the width of the basepath, though. I wouldn't be surprised if these slides end up being as big of a discussion as the catcher/homeplate fiasco caused last year when Buster Posey got trucked. It's dangerous, yes, but baseball is steeped in tradition. You play the game the "right" way. Look how long it's taken to add any type of instant replay, which we definitely need more of.

Lekkit · « **Reply #157 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:01:59 pm »

Then I think the slide was within the rules, but I don't really like that kind of play.

greatexpectations · « **Reply #158 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:03:53 pm »

Quote from: Lekkit on October 16, 2012, 04:01:59 pm

Then I think the slide was within the rules, but I don't really like that kind of play.

i would be surprised if you found many fans who actually did like that kind of play. but then again many fans don't like catcher collisions and want instant replay too.

shraeye · « **Reply #159 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:00:31 pm »

baseball baseball baseball. baseball. baseball baseball.

Galzria · « **Reply #160 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:04:54 pm »

Quote from: shraeye on October 18, 2012, 09:00:31 pm

baseball baseball baseball. baseball. baseball baseball.

Yesterdays loss hurt. Makes game 4 (now) a near must-win, and we do it with our Ace burned (yesterday), and theirs on the mound. Ouch.

Timmy is not sharp (again), but he's somehow kept us close thusfar. Glad to see Pence fire one out. Here's hoping we take this one tonight.

shraeye · « **Reply #161 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:07:04 pm »

Oh, that Pence shot was sweet. With the pregame announcers saying how disappointing Pence was and that his cold bat was the downfall of the Giants. Well cold bat that stuff, announcers.

Galzria · « **Reply #162 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:10:45 pm »

Quote from: shraeye on October 18, 2012, 09:07:04 pm

Oh, that Pence shot was sweet. With the pregame announcers saying how disappointing Pence was and that his cold bat was the downfall of the Giants. Well cold bat that stuff, announcers.

Well, to be fair, Pence HAS been killing us out there. Yeah, not all on his own... But his lack of ANYTHING in the first 8 games was a real drag. The whole team though... Man, you don't leave 11 on base through 7 innings (as they did last night)! We need our guys to start chaining hits like they did all season.

Galzria · « **Reply #163 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:16:49 pm »

Way to fight Giants.

Jorbles · « **Reply #164 on:** October 22, 2012, 11:10:44 am »

Giants are still in this. (I just noticed this threads existence and this post is mostly just to follow.)

Galzria · « **Reply #165 on:** October 22, 2012, 09:23:00 pm »

WHOOOOOOOO! Let's go Giants!

Galzria · « **Reply #166 on:** October 22, 2012, 11:44:50 pm »

YEAH BABY!

shraeye · « **Reply #167 on:** October 23, 2012, 11:24:45 pm »

O · « **Reply #168 on:** October 24, 2012, 11:41:53 pm »

Wow.

jonts26 · « **Reply #169 on:** October 24, 2012, 11:51:29 pm »

Nothing makes sense anymore.

Galzria · « **Reply #170 on:** October 24, 2012, 11:57:31 pm »

Zito's line I would've believed.

Lincecum was unsurprising.

Scutero did his thing.

But Sandoval.... Wow. A bases clearing triple off Verlander in the AS game, and TWO Homers off him tonight (with a third later for good measure)? What does he see that nobody else in baseball does? He's dominates Verlander.

Also, props to Zito for the two-strike, two-out RBI off Verlander as well.

Solid night Giants. The hard one is out of the way. Keep it up.

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