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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2013, 01:38:04 pm »
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In the single most annoying game ever played on Goko, I present

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130403/log.5143c778e4b0d173cd4c231a.1365038040968.txt

I went for big money / chapel and eventually crossroads, but the bot kept insisting scrying pool was good so it bought 10 of them, as well as 10 spies and pretty much nothing else save for 2 fairgrounds. Aside from choosing a horrible strategy, it made the game take way longer than it should have.
If that happens you can probably turn the animation speed all the way up

People play with the animation speed at any other setting?
I'm pretty well known for playing quickly, no? I play with it on fast (or whatever they're calling the third setting, second from the fastest, now).

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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #101 on: April 04, 2013, 01:47:37 pm »
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I played an Androminion game this week in which the bot bought several loans and therefore trashed down to just a handful of coppers...
but also bought 4 or 5 Counting Houses.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #102 on: April 04, 2013, 06:09:34 pm »
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When I play Androminion and Rats is on the board, well - their deck is certainly safe against Curses.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #103 on: April 04, 2013, 06:37:57 pm »
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When I play Androminion and Rats is on the board, well - their deck is certainly safe against Curses.

If Androminion bot picks up Rats, I quit.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2013, 08:47:15 pm »
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When I play Androminion and Rats is on the board, well - their deck is certainly safe against Curses.

If Androminion bot picks up Rats, I quit.
So would I, but I recently installed it on a new phone and I need the "10 wins in a row" achievement again.

For those who don't know how painful it can be, Androminion does a little cascading display of cards gained or revealed, so when your opponent's deck is 20 copies of Rats it's a huge waterfall as each play of Rats results in a reveal of up to 5 more copies.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #105 on: April 05, 2013, 05:54:43 am »
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I won the 20th stage of Cornucopia adventures with a "Moat" strategy. I ended with 8VP, the three bots were all in zero or negative territory.

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130405/log.50f70ca7e4b0c53c94b0ca2d.1365155526139.txt
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #106 on: April 05, 2013, 11:29:25 am »
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I won the 20th stage of Cornucopia adventures with a "Moat" strategy. I ended with 8VP, the three bots were all in zero or negative territory.

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130405/log.50f70ca7e4b0c53c94b0ca2d.1365155526139.txt

I love that about the Adventure finals. If I recall correctly, the final stage of Intrigue Act 3 is a board where Secret Chamber is the key card. It's pretty sweet.

EDIT: Assuming I'm remembering the correct stage, it's a four-player game with this board:

$2: Chapel, Moat, Pawn, Secret Chamber
$3: Shanty Town, Swindler, Village
$5: Torturer, Tribute, Witch
« Last Edit: April 05, 2013, 11:33:32 am by LastFootnote »
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #107 on: April 06, 2013, 06:25:44 am »
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All the bots had a major AI upgrade this week, one is rated over 4k now, they were about 3400  before I think.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2013, 12:12:42 pm »
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Bots definitely don't understand what is the bane card and how it influences their decision if they should buy Young Witch.

I played two YW games today. In the first one there was Squire (as bane), Lighthouse and Vineyard (and Market+Festival to strengthen the Vineyard strategy even more). First thing I did was piledriving Squires, with Lighthouses after that. Still the bot went heavy YW (3 or 4 of them). I ended the game with 8 Vineyards worth 14 points each and all 10 Curses still in the Supply.

The second game had Oasis as bane and Watchtower in addition to this, which not only was a good YW defense, but also protected from Ghost Ship and allowed a "trash Copper, trash Copper, topdeck Cache" trick. This time at least 4 YWs managed to give me 4 Curses, half of which I trashed with Apprentice.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #109 on: April 09, 2013, 03:36:17 pm »
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Bots definitely don't understand what is the bane card and how it influences their decision if they should buy Young Witch.

I played two YW games today. In the first one there was Squire (as bane), Lighthouse and Vineyard (and Market+Festival to strengthen the Vineyard strategy even more). First thing I did was piledriving Squires, with Lighthouses after that. Still the bot went heavy YW (3 or 4 of them). I ended the game with 8 Vineyards worth 14 points each and all 10 Curses still in the Supply.

The second game had Oasis as bane and Watchtower in addition to this, which not only was a good YW defense, but also protected from Ghost Ship and allowed a "trash Copper, trash Copper, topdeck Cache" trick. This time at least 4 YWs managed to give me 4 Curses, half of which I trashed with Apprentice.

It has been a little while, so perhaps has been fixed, but the last YW game I played against a bot featured Scheme as the bane. I felt that 1 or 2 were enough (I don't remember the board - I ended up doing some money strategy, I think), but the bot felt it needed all 8 or 9 of the other Schemes.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #110 on: April 09, 2013, 05:01:26 pm »
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This might have been not due to Scheme being the bane, but due to it being a cantrip. Goko bots love cantrips. They piledrive Spy nearly every game it's in the kingdom.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #111 on: April 10, 2013, 06:47:05 am »
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This might have been not due to Scheme being the bane, but due to it being a cantrip. Goko bots love cantrips. They piledrive Spy nearly every game it's in the kingdom.
Indeed. And when you lose to a bot who piledrives Spy, that's when you know you played a shitty game. Been there done that.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #112 on: April 10, 2013, 08:13:34 am »
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With Sheme as the bane of YW all you need is one and just topdeck it every turn.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2013, 02:35:46 pm »
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The bot definitely loves to go village idiot on Scheme.  I don't know how many endgames when Scheme is present come down to the bot spamming Schemes, buying another Scheme, and then returning the played Schemes to the top of its deck. 
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #114 on: April 16, 2013, 12:13:03 pm »
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Mint and Fool's Gold were both on the board, and the bot opened with Mint.  I was rather impressed that it knew to go for Mint/FG.  But then T2 it bought a Chapel  :o
I think the bots (or at least some of them) always take Mint on a 5/2, without regard to the $2 cards. I've seen it a few times. Just now the only $2 was Moat, and the other $5's were Mountebank and Witch.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #115 on: April 16, 2013, 01:42:51 pm »
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With Sheme as the bane of YW all you need is one and just topdeck it every turn.
True, unless there is some other action I would like to topdeck as it works its way through the deck.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2013, 07:40:42 pm »
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Thrones and traders is a great bot strategy.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2013, 01:58:34 pm »
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http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130419/log.50893139a2e67cff211cd7e5.1366394173163.txt - for no visible reason (all Provinces in Supply, no Duke or Silk Road) Lord Bottington buys 3 Duchies in turns 8, 9 an 10.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2013, 02:07:48 pm »
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I wish I saved the log but in an IGG game this morning one of the bots bought all Warehouses except for two that I smuggled before purchasing any treasure allowing me to pile-drive IGGs and Duchies...
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2013, 02:09:32 pm »
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Bots love Warehouse nearly as much as they love Spy.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2013, 02:56:07 pm »
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Bots love Warehouse nearly as much as they love Spy.
+3 cards, +1 action - what's not to love? It's basically a superLab or Village Smithy. How could there be a downside to buying them all?
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2013, 10:49:10 pm »
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http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130424/log.505c7f4ca2e6c78ad2ed5ba1.1366857587510.txt

Village Idiot bot played pretty well. Well, except the part where by endgame, he had 10 potions and no potion cost cards.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #122 on: April 26, 2013, 04:04:44 pm »
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I've noticed bots don't always reveal a Moat to block a Curse when they can. For instance if you play a Witch with a Throne Room they'll block the first curse and not the second one. Is this something they all do or is it limited to lower level bots to make them easier to beat?
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2013, 04:19:35 pm »
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I think I remember that being reported as a bug, but it must have been forgotten about and never fixed.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #124 on: April 26, 2013, 05:06:22 pm »
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Its seems as if everything reported in the invitational beta was lost when they switched systems so they need it reporting again on Get Satisfaction.
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