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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2013, 10:21:00 pm »
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---------- Lord Bottington: turn 3 ----------
 Lord Bottington - plays Feast
 Lord Bottington - trashes Feast
 Lord Bottington - gains Feast
 Lord Bottington - plays 3 Copper
 Lord Bottington - buys Silver
 Lord Bottington - gains Silver
 Lord Bottington - draws Copper, Copper, Estate, Copper, Loan

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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2013, 06:36:39 am »
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Avalanchian: Since it's a bot and I don't have to worry about it being too good, I might try KC-KC-Thief-Thief-Masq just for fun.

Oohh that does seem fun. I might give that one a try some time.

---------- Lord Bottington: turn 3 ----------
 Lord Bottington - plays Feast
 Lord Bottington - trashes Feast
 Lord Bottington - gains Feast


Clearly trying to 3-pile for the win without clogging the deck with endless terminals. Very clever ;)
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2013, 05:16:53 pm »
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I just had Warlord Bot end the game with 10 Potions in his deck but not buying a Potion cost card (Possession was the only one available). It was a decent defense against my Possession (I once played it with KC and ended up getting nothing due to terrible hands I was given) but nothing more.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2013, 06:25:14 pm »
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The bots are awful with potions at the moment and this is probably why alchemy is still in beta.

I did have another one today don't have the log. Very promising play.

Turn 3, bot plays young witch, spends 3 coppers, buys a watchtower, reveals a watchtower, trashes the watchtower.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #79 on: February 24, 2013, 09:58:54 pm »
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long time lurker :)
Yes^  I notice they have such a penchant for opening with potion, even if the only alch card is vinyard!  If there is any potion requiring card at all, they open potion on 4/3. 
But, still, goko has come a long way and I am sure happy to have the entire array of cards up and working (for the most part)!  I was extremely skeptical, but couldn't be happier!
Can't wait for the iOs!
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2013, 05:50:23 pm »
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Banker Bot   plays Margrave
Banker Bot   draws Gold, Crossroads, Estate
Avalanchian    draws Province
Avalanchian    discards Province
Avalanchian    discards Copper
Avalanchian    discards Margrave
Banker Bot   plays 3 Gold
Banker Bot   buys Province
Banker Bot   buys Survivors
Banker Bot   draws Silver, Silver, Farming Village, Gold, Gold

Gotta use dem +buys...
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2013, 05:48:45 pm »
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http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130304/log.50e87c23e4b0101dec0f5c9d.1362436947165.txt

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Conqueror Bot   plays Jester
Avalanchian   reveals Curse
Avalanchian   discards Curse
Conqueror Bot   gains Curse

Optimal Jester play right there. I can't think of any reason why the bot may have done that. More variety in the deck to be more likely to activate menagerie?

The bot's final deck was: 2 Menagerie, 2 Jester, 1 Great Hall, 1 Minion, 9 Copper, 5 Gold, 1 Silver, 5 Estate, 2 Province, 1 Duchy, 1 Curse
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 05:51:31 pm by Avalanchian »
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2013, 01:33:11 pm »
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On the one hand, it's always fun to make a Hunting Party deck that can easily absorb all 8 Provinces. On the other hand, it's less satisfying when the reason you take all 8 is that the bot:

- Opens HP, Chapel
- Trashes all starting cards while buying Silver, Silver, Potion
- Buys 10 Scrying Pools, playing every SP in the deck every turn
- With one Province remaining, buys an Estate
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2013, 02:35:28 pm »
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On the one hand, it's always fun to make a Hunting Party deck that can easily absorb all 8 Provinces. On the other hand, it's less satisfying when the reason you take all 8 is that the bot:

- Opens HP, Chapel
- Trashes all starting cards while buying Silver, Silver, Potion
- Buys 10 Scrying Pools, playing every SP in the deck every turn
- With one Province remaining, buys an Estate
Yes!  I've seen more than one bot do that^!
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2013, 02:50:34 pm »
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http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130304/log.50e87c23e4b0101dec0f5c9d.1362436947165.txt

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Conqueror Bot   plays Jester
Avalanchian   reveals Curse
Avalanchian   discards Curse
Conqueror Bot   gains Curse

Optimal Jester play right there. I can't think of any reason why the bot may have done that. More variety in the deck to be more likely to activate menagerie?

The bot's final deck was: 2 Menagerie, 2 Jester, 1 Great Hall, 1 Minion, 9 Copper, 5 Gold, 1 Silver, 5 Estate, 2 Province, 1 Duchy, 1 Curse

I've seen bots do that several times.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2013, 07:55:05 pm »
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Mint and Fool's Gold were both on the board, and the bot opened with Mint.  I was rather impressed that it knew to go for Mint/FG.  But then T2 it bought a Chapel  :o
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2013, 08:54:14 pm »
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During a base set adventure I saw a bot chapel its deck down until its only treasures were a silver and a gold. Then it spent ten turns piledriving the laboratories, one by one.

Then it bought a remodel.

Then it remodeled its gold into a Province.

Then it remodeled its silver into a Duchy.

By the time I finally managed to empty the Province pile (I hadn't built my deck assuming I would have to buy almost all of them, silly me) it was buying a copper and remodeling a copper into an estate every turn.

The thing is that the adventures are supposed to teach new players about the game, so I don't know if this sort of thing is a bug or a feature.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2013, 10:59:09 pm »
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Yeah, and I've found them to piledrive the spies very often in adventure mode...
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #88 on: April 03, 2013, 09:23:10 pm »
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In the single most annoying game ever played on Goko, I present

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130403/log.5143c778e4b0d173cd4c231a.1365038040968.txt

I went for big money / chapel and eventually crossroads, but the bot kept insisting scrying pool was good so it bought 10 of them, as well as 10 spies and pretty much nothing else save for 2 fairgrounds. Aside from choosing a horrible strategy, it made the game take way longer than it should have.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2013, 09:50:35 pm »
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In the single most annoying game ever played on Goko, I present

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130403/log.5143c778e4b0d173cd4c231a.1365038040968.txt

I went for big money / chapel and eventually crossroads, but the bot kept insisting scrying pool was good so it bought 10 of them, as well as 10 spies and pretty much nothing else save for 2 fairgrounds. Aside from choosing a horrible strategy, it made the game take way longer than it should have.
If that happens you can probably turn the animation speed all the way up
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #90 on: April 03, 2013, 11:02:36 pm »
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In the single most annoying game ever played on Goko, I present

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130403/log.5143c778e4b0d173cd4c231a.1365038040968.txt

I went for big money / chapel and eventually crossroads, but the bot kept insisting scrying pool was good so it bought 10 of them, as well as 10 spies and pretty much nothing else save for 2 fairgrounds. Aside from choosing a horrible strategy, it made the game take way longer than it should have.
If that happens you can probably turn the animation speed all the way up

People play with the animation speed at any other setting?
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #91 on: April 04, 2013, 05:15:58 am »
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I used to play with speed settings at fastest. There was an update in January where the animations were adjusted and since then i switched back to normal. Now i have no troubles following the plays on other persons turns, and game speed feels ok for me.

But i'm not a speed freak at all. I enjoy the game, and i can live with playing a game less per day.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #92 on: April 04, 2013, 08:07:11 am »
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I had a bot that kept playing all its Schemes, buying a Scheme, and then scheming the Schemes, over and over, until it had them all. Quicker to resolve than SP/Spy, but arguably dumber, because it was literally the same as having none of them.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2013, 08:12:41 am »
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Quicker to resolve than SP/Spy, but arguably dumber, because it was literally the same as having none of them.

In before edge case
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2013, 08:41:23 am »
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I had a bot that kept playing all its Schemes, buying a Scheme, and then scheming the Schemes, over and over, until it had them all. Quicker to resolve than SP/Spy, but arguably dumber, because it was literally the same as having none of them.
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2013, 11:28:41 am »
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There was an implicit "in context" there. In context, Scheme was doing nothing.
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« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2013, 11:35:41 am »
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Also, for every mega-turn piece you find, that's one less Scheme you can topdeck per turn. You're going to run out of Schemes way before you pull the mega-turn together.
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« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2013, 12:18:38 pm »
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Also, for every mega-turn piece you find, that's one less Scheme you can topdeck per turn. You're going to run out of Schemes way before you pull the mega-turn together.

KC-Scheme lets you topdeck KC, Scheme, and a third thing. ;)
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« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2013, 12:30:06 pm »
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Quicker to resolve than SP/Spy, but arguably dumber, because it was literally the same as having none of them.

In before edge case

Actual edge case for why repeatedly playing and topdecking Schemes is different from not having them at all (note that using Scheme to topdeck another card is not an edge case, because that is its actual purpose):

- use them to lower the price of Peddler
- use them to activate Conspirators
- bump up the value of HoP
- Scheme is the bane for YW
- a Scheme in hand takes up space and helps you activate Menagerie (e.g. if not having that Scheme would have meant having a duplicate in hand)
- fodder for TfBs

Some of these examples can only explain the topdecking of a single Scheme -- for example, it would be ridiculous to topdeck more than 1 Scheme when it is the bane.  One is enough!  But never fear, there is an edge case to this edge case -- Minion attacks.  If you only top deck a single Scheme, Minion will remove your protection!  But if you topdeck six Schemes, you are protected for at least that turn. ;)
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Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2013, 01:18:03 pm »
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The warlord bot horribly overbuys schemes. I play with just base and hinterlands so I see it quite often. Once two warlord bot opponents start buying schemes and a noble brigand it becomes really tempting to abandon the game.
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