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DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« on: August 16, 2012, 04:26:39 pm »
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So, something seems off.

First, we have one Knight that costs $4 and the randomizer says $5. Then, Catacombs has a weird wording, and I think a couple other cards as well do. But, what really makes me think that the first printing of DA might be a misprint is that Rebuild let's you name any card including a non-Victory card which just seems weird. This is how Rebuild is worded:

Rebuild
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Name a card. Reveal cards from the top of your deck until you reveal a Victory card that is not the named card. Trash it. Gain a Victory card costing up to $3 more than it. Discard the other cards.
Action

So, what do you think. Is something fishy going on?
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 04:28:50 pm »
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Knight is probably intentional.

You can name any order card if you want to hit ANY victory i.e. not ban anything - Just name Copper. You probably want to namebad Estate so that you trash duchy->Prov or Prov->Colony.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 04:29:31 pm »
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So, something seems off.

First, we have one Knight that costs $4 and the randomizer says $5. Then, Catacombs has a weird wording, and I think a couple other cards as well do. But, what really makes me think that the first printing of DA might be a misprint is that Rebuild let's you name any card including a non-Victory card which just seems weird. This is how Rebuild is worded:

Rebuild
$5
+1 Action
Name a card. Reveal cards from the top of your deck until you reveal a Victory card that is not the named card. Trash it. Gain a Victory card costing up to $3 more than it. Discard the other cards.
Action

So, what do you think. Is something fishy going on?

I don't see a real problem with Rebuild. It gives you the ability to just trash / expand the first victory card you find, no matter what it is.

I didn't notice that Sir Martin costs $4, but given his ability, it makes sense that he would I think. The randomizer has to say $5, because it applies to all the Knights. Catacombs is indeed a weird choice of words, but I don't see how that could be a misprint, rather than a choice Donald made.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 04:30:23 pm »
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Knight is probably intentional.

You can name any order card if you want to hit ANY victory i.e. not ban anything - Just name Copper. You probably want to namebad Estate so that you trash duchy->Prov or Prov->Colony.

You're probably right.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 04:30:31 pm »
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Knight is probably intentional.

You can name any order card if you want to hit ANY victory i.e. not ban anything - Just name Copper. You probably want to namebad Estate so that you trash duchy->Prov or Prov->Colony.

I just realized the best use of naming a card... Ruined Overgrown Estate. You really wouldn't want to hit that with Rebuild, unless it's a Gardens/Silk Road/Feodum game.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 04:32:53 pm »
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You mean Overgrown Estate?
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 04:34:46 pm »
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I guess the best card to name is colony/province  if you have one already, since those cant be improved.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 04:34:51 pm »
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+2 Buys is such a weaker bonus compared to the others that it makes sense that Martin gets an extra boost.  His $4 cost makes Knight openings easier (though he'd have to be on top when your $4 turn comes along), but Knight openings can already happen with a 5/2 split anyway.

It does rather seem like a Knight trashing an opening buy on Turn 3 could decide the game then and there.  But those can happen anyway.  I kind of like how Knight openings can happen in different ways:  usually only on a 5/2 split, but sometimes on a 4/3.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 04:35:17 pm »
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First, we have one Knight that costs $4 and the randomizer says $5. Then, Catacombs has a weird wording, and I think a couple other cards as well do. But, what really makes me think that the first printing of DA might be a misprint is that Rebuild let's you name any card including a non-Victory card which just seems weird. This is how Rebuild is worded:

Rebuild
$5
+1 Action
Name a card. Reveal cards from the top of your deck until you reveal a Victory card that is not the named card. Trash it. Gain a Victory card costing up to $3 more than it. Discard the other cards.
Action

So, what do you think. Is something fishy going on?
You actually have the wrong wording of Rebuild there; however the correct wording does say "Name a card" at the start (what's wrong here is that the discarding actually happens before the trashing/gaining).

I am going to guess that my reasoning was, here is a really wordy card, it doesn't need to also say "Victory" here does it. Name whatever card you want; if you want to actually avoiding trading in a particular victory card, name one of those, and if you don't want to, I don't need to make you think of a victory card that isn't being used this game.

Edit: Okay it's not quite like that because I wasn't thinking about what the card actually is here, but you know. If you want to hit any victory card, name Curse or whatever you want; nothing is gained by forcing you to name a victory card not in your deck, which you would almost always be able to do anyway.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 04:36:38 pm »
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You mean Overgrown Estate?

Indeed, lol.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 04:37:59 pm »
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+2 Buys is such a weaker bonus compared to the others that it makes sense that Martin gets an extra boost.  His $4 cost makes Knight openings easier (though he'd have to be on top when your $4 turn comes along), but Knight openings can already happen with a 5/2 split anyway.

It does rather seem like a Knight trashing an opening buy on Turn 3 could decide the game then and there.  But those can happen anyway.  I kind of like how Knight openings can happen in different ways:  usually only on a 5/2 split, but sometimes on a 4/3.
Having a single $4 knight seems weird though. I would've expected a few of each cost, if that's the idea. But clearly I'm wrong. :)
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 04:40:24 pm »
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Is it significant that Market Square's reaction triggers on 'When one of your cards is trashed' rather than 'When you trash a card'?
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 04:41:20 pm »
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It's the Wishing Well clause which lets you name Uno, Bridge and Magic cards as well, although you won't find them in your deck.

But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.

I can understand why he put "name a card" there; the card is a bit wordy though.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 04:41:55 pm »
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Is it significant that Market Square's reaction triggers on 'When one of your cards is trashed' rather than 'When you trash a card'?
No, I don't think so. So far all the trashers instruct you to trash your own card, rather than forcibly trashing someone else's cards.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2012, 04:42:18 pm »
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Having a single $4 knight seems weird though. I would've expected a few of each cost, if that's the idea. But clearly I'm wrong. :)
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2012, 04:42:26 pm »
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Is it significant that Market Square's reaction triggers on 'When one of your cards is trashed' rather than 'When you trash a card'?

Another odd/inconsistant wording. I'm pretty sure that there's still no card in the game that allows you to trash an opponent's card, rather than forcing an opponent to trash his card.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2012, 04:42:38 pm »
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Is it significant that Market Square's reaction triggers on 'When one of your cards is trashed' rather than 'When you trash a card'?
Only in that it has gotten this question asked.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2012, 04:43:15 pm »
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But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.


That one's easy; you don't want a reshuffle. We like challenges! ;D
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2012, 04:43:37 pm »
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Is it significant that Market Square's reaction triggers on 'When one of your cards is trashed' rather than 'When you trash a card'?
Only in that it has gotten this question asked.

Well, alrighty then.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2012, 04:47:59 pm »
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But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.


That one's easy; you don't want a reshuffle. We like challenges! ;D
You, sir, fail, and: haha, smirk!

Whether you wish wrong or right, you need to reveal the card anyway!
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2012, 04:51:12 pm »
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But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.


That one's easy; you don't want a reshuffle. We like challenges! ;D
You, sir, fail, and: haha, smirk!

Whether you wish wrong or right, you need to reveal the card anyway!

You want to go "gain a Copper, trash your hand" with Count, but don't want to trash the second card down because it's a good one or something.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2012, 04:54:25 pm »
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But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.


That one's easy; you don't want a reshuffle. We like challenges! ;D
You, sir, fail, and: haha, smirk!

Whether you wish wrong or right, you need to reveal the card anyway!

Crap!! :-[
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2012, 04:57:05 pm »
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But sometimes you might NOT want to be right with Wishing Well for whatever edge reason.


That one's easy; you don't want a reshuffle. We like challenges! ;D
You, sir, fail, and: haha, smirk!

Whether you wish wrong or right, you need to reveal the card anyway!

You want to go "gain a Copper, trash your hand" with Count, but don't want to trash the second card down because it's a good one or something.
You can probably find a simple example with TR or Golem and a forced trasher like that.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2012, 04:59:26 pm »
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Or you just draw a Gold with your +1 Card, and don't want another one which is behind it as it will make you overplay for Province.
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Re: DA, first Printing, Misprinted?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2012, 05:06:43 pm »
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Or you just draw a Gold with your +1 Card, and don't want another one which is behind it as it will make you overplay for Province.

The best example of this would be treasure map.  You know that the next 4 cards of your deck are golds.  You may only want one of those golds, and intentionally guessing Curse will result in a guaranteed province next turn.
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