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[WanderingWinder]

Not being able to spend the exact amount of money you want sucks, but that is how Xbox Live has been doing it forever. I suppose you could argue that Xbox Live is a better service though.

Just because other people are doing it too doesn't make it right.

This was probably the best post @ bgg yesterday

http://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/12629?commentid=3133969#comment3133969

Last year at genCon, I had the opportunity to meet with the Goko(then FunSockets) guys. They wanted a license for Innovation, along with other Asmadi products. Really nice guys, but something just didn't feel right about the whole deal. They wanted a long term exclusivity contract, and I just wasn't interested in ceding that control for years with no guarantee of delivery.

They had solid business background, but my read on what they were best at was acquisition. It was an exec team that could boast the most about being able to secure VC funds. They didn't have a ny tech details to offer me except the word HTML5, and so I ultimately passed. I hope they succeed in creating a great online board game portal, but I hope it is not at the expense of offline play for board gamers.

My concern is that people who are good at acquiring funding are not always folks that are good at delivering. They sure did convince a lot of people to give them digital rights, and they got their $8M. I hope they use it to make an awesome site, and not the next 38 Studios.

I think these guys are great business guys, but clearly not great coders

Seems like a pretty fair assessment. I'm just befuddled at how such groups GET so much funding, licenses, etc.

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

[Captain_Frisk]

From Bgg:

[q="tqboz"][q="tqboz"]Website is now working [/q]

And although its active it dosent appear to allow you to do anything.

DOH......[/q]

I got as far as discovering that when starting a game of Dominion I can pay 'zaps' in order to 'downgrade my opponents deck' and promptly shut the browser in disgust.

(Edit: I should point out this was an adventure game against AI - haven't yet seen if this is allowed multiplayer - I'd hope not!)

[Captain_Frisk]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

Let's go with Valve as an example of a company that doesn't appear to be out to bone us over?

[WanderingWinder]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

Let's go with Valve as an example of a company that doesn't appear to be out to bone us over?

Again, I'm not saying they're not out there. I'm saying they're rare.

[Watno]

I'd totally buy a dominion hat.

[DStu]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

When you don't complain on these things that are only anti-costumer and only self-serving, the anti-costumer will not have any negative impact, so any wise buisness decision would be to ignore costumer.  Therefore, you should complain and not be company-understanding.

Maybe it's rational for them to do so, but it's not rational for us to except it.  Edit: Because, in the long run, what's rational for companies depends on how the costumer behaves.

[Grujah]

I manged to get to main screen without any UI (just background) + music.

This sucks. I think I'll go ... study. 

[WanderingWinder]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

When you don't complain on these things that are only anti-costumer and only self-serving, the anti-costumer will not have any negative impact, so any wise buisness decision would be to ignore costumer.  Therefore, you should complain and not be company-understanding.

Maybe it's rational for them to do so, but it's not rational for us to except it.  Edit: Because, in the long run, what's rational for companies depends on how the costumer behaves.

I have bigger things to complain about.
Do you guys actually think your complaints will do anything? All that they're going to care about is whether people buy the stuff or not.

[Captain_Frisk]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

Let's go with Valve as an example of a company that doesn't appear to be out to bone us over?

Again, I'm not saying they're not out there. I'm saying they're rare.

My thinking is this - some evil you just can't avoid - you're probably paying some manner of cable company or telecom.  You pay too much for text messages (which are cheaper to deliver than voice - but still cost more money).  You have to shave your face so you overpay for razors.

But for a small company and a non-essential product - I would much rather support someone who is friendly to their consumers.  I have no interest in the Zynga of boardgaming.

[DerWaldschrat]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

When you don't complain on these things that are only anti-costumer and only self-serving, the anti-costumer will not have any negative impact, so any wise buisness decision would be to ignore costumer.  Therefore, you should complain and not be company-understanding.

Maybe it's rational for them to do so, but it's not rational for us to except it.  Edit: Because, in the long run, what's rational for companies depends on how the costumer behaves.

Totally agree with DStu.
See it like that: If you buy the boardgame, you have 100% control about what you are doing with it where to take and so on.
If you buy virtual goods in a store like that, you are completely dependend on them: You do not know whether their service will shut down, if there is a lot of server load, the service is broken and so on...
So pricing is ok, but it should not be to much because it is not 100% reliable

[WanderingWinder]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

Let's go with Valve as an example of a company that doesn't appear to be out to bone us over?

Again, I'm not saying they're not out there. I'm saying they're rare.

My thinking is this - some evil you just can't avoid - you're probably paying some manner of cable company or telecom.  You pay too much for text messages (which are cheaper to deliver than voice - but still cost more money).  You have to shave your face so you overpay for razors.

But for a small company and a non-essential product - I would much rather support someone who is friendly to their consumers.  I have no interest in the Zynga of boardgaming.

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

[DStu]

I don't get the outrage over the price-scheming though. I mean, it's not unexpected or dishonest. It is self-serving, but... you live in America, right? How many companies are there around that aren't self-serving? How many people? It's not that it's none, and we were very fortunate to have DougZ as a shining example of someone who wasn't. But while this price scheme doesn't make me all happy inside... color me thoroughly meh.

When you don't complain on these things that are only anti-costumer and only self-serving, the anti-costumer will not have any negative impact, so any wise buisness decision would be to ignore costumer.  Therefore, you should complain and not be company-understanding.

Maybe it's rational for them to do so, but it's not rational for us to except it.  Edit: Because, in the long run, what's rational for companies depends on how the costumer behaves.

I have bigger things to complain about.
Do you guys actually think your complaints will do anything?

Rationalizing what's good for companies also does not change anything, and we have spend as many posts on this.

All that they're going to care about is whether people buy the stuff or not.

Yepp, in the end, that's exactly what you have to consider when you don't like the behaviour of some companies. But for first, maybe you can talk...

[DStu]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

[WanderingWinder]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

[Captain_Frisk]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

So whats your recommended approach?  Don't pay?

[polonkus]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

What do you have against whining?
It's a time-honored and instinctual means of getting attention.

[DStu]

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

I'm not sure if I agree with "not anything", but you are right, there are more effective means...

[WanderingWinder]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

So whats your recommended approach?  Don't pay?

Well, if that bothers you enough, yes. The pricing thing doesn't bother me that much, but other stuff does. But basically, yeah, don't pay.

[polonkus]

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

"The squeaky wheel gets the grease"

[ArjanB]

[WanderingWinder]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

What do you have against whining?
It's a time-honored and instinctual means of getting attention.

You're not getting THEIR attention by whining here... only annoying already aggravated people more. They don't read what's going on here. If you want to whine to them directly, be my guest. Don't know how much that will help you, but go ahead.

[ashersky]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

So whats your recommended approach?  Don't pay?

I've yet to even get an opportunity to pay for anything on Goko...and I've been trying for half an hour.  Makes me think I definitely shouldn't/won't pay.

[polonkus]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

What do you have against whining?
It's a time-honored and instinctual means of getting attention.

You're not getting THEIR attention by whining here... only annoying already aggravated people more. They don't read what's going on here. If you want to whine to them directly, be my guest. Don't know how much that will help you, but go ahead.

It's also a fairly well established method of commiseration... the "bitch session". I guess my question is why does it annoy you so much?

[WanderingWinder]

And that's totally fine. But I am perplexed by the complaining much more about this pretty standard, accepted price scheme, than, say, the huge, gaping lack of security. Which is why I'm going to steer clear of the thing for a long time, at least.

Yepp, but also, things do add up. I don't know excatly anymore why end ehrn I entered this thread, but I don't like this "they are companies, they do what is good for you and we should understand and except that"-attitude.  What's good for them depends on us.

I'm not saying we should accept it. I'm saying that whining about it doesn't help anything.

What do you have against whining?
It's a time-honored and instinctual means of getting attention.

You're not getting THEIR attention by whining here... only annoying already aggravated people more. They don't read what's going on here. If you want to whine to them directly, be my guest. Don't know how much that will help you, but go ahead.

It's also a fairly well established method of commiseration... the "bitch session". I guess my question is why does it annoy you so much?

It distracts from the much larger, more important problems for which communication actually does something important.

Like the fact that they have BASICALLY NO SECURITY AT ALL

[polonkus]

It distracts from the much larger, more important problems for which communication actually does something important.

Like the fact that they have BASICALLY NO SECURITY AT ALL

Fair enough, no argument there.