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[LastFootnote]

Noble Brigand is to Thief as: Vagrant is to Scout, Scavenger is to Chancellor, Count is to Mandarin. A lot of weak cards getting updated to be strong.

Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily. Works best if there is a card like Fishing Village that allows you to ignore Silver entirely.

Or grab poor house/squire on the two and hope they don't collide...

As long as there's an Attack on the board, you probably want Count and Squire to collide.

[Beyond Awesome]

werothegreat, now we're talking. Tried to avoid all this talks, but no I cannot avoid it any longer. Time for updating the first thoughts post.

Haven't read the last comments, but Procession has no "if you do" clause, so this means I can play Procession+Feast to get 3 Duchies, right?

No. Procession itself can only gain non-Action cards, so you get two Duchies maximum from that.

No. It only gains Action cards.

[LastFootnote]

werothegreat, now we're talking. Tried to avoid all this talks, but no I cannot avoid it any longer. Time for updating the first thoughts post.

Haven't read the last comments, but Procession has no "if you do" clause, so this means I can play Procession+Feast to get 3 Duchies, right?

No. Procession itself can only gain non-Action cards, so you get two Duchies maximum from that.

No. It only gains Action cards.

Whoops! Typo. Thanks!

[blueblimp]

Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily.

Nope. "Trash your hand" and "+$3" are mutually exclusive.

I meant trash down to 1 card (just Count) first, then use the $3 option.

Well, that's slow. If you have Count in hand with 4 cards you want to trash, you have to discard 2 of them, put one back on your deck, or gain a Copper. So you're really only removing 3 cards max per play. As Donald has said elsewhere, a Chapel that can only trash 3 cards is just much, much slower.

Ah good point. I got it in my head that you could trash 4 cards from hand like Chapel, but yeah it's only 3 at most. Although sometimes that can help it, since if it collides with a good card, you can put that card back on deck before trashing the rest.

[pst]

wow, all the card images are so dark.

What strikes me is that the main text on some cards have different size. That looks strange to me, at least when the cards are presented side-by-side like that.

[LastFootnote]

Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily.

Nope. "Trash your hand" and "+$3" are mutually exclusive.

I meant trash down to 1 card (just Count) first, then use the $3 option.

Well, that's slow. If you have Count in hand with 4 cards you want to trash, you have to discard 2 of them, put one back on your deck, or gain a Copper. So you're really only removing 3 cards max per play. As Donald has said elsewhere, a Chapel that can only trash 3 cards is just much, much slower.

Ah good point. I got it in my head that you could trash 4 cards from hand like Chapel, but yeah it's only 3 at most. Although sometimes that can help it, since if it collides with a good card, you can put that card back on deck before trashing the rest.

Yeah, definitely. I think it's going to be a really powerful card that you have to use opportunistically.

[Kirian]

So this one time, at Bandit Camp, I gained a Spoils.

(Is that movie actually old enough that I'm dating myself?)

[LastFootnote]

So this one time, at Bandit Camp, I gained a Spoils.

(Is that movie actually old enough that I'm dating myself?)

I assumed you were quoting Warcraft 3 (which was itself referencing American Pie).

[Voltaire]

wow, all the card images are so dark.

What strikes me is that the main text on some cards have different size. That looks strange to me, at least when the cards are presented side-by-side like that.

Some are the actual cards, some are Goku versions (larger lettering).

[RisingJaguar]

Just making sure I have two things right.

Fortress can't really ever end up in the trash, because once you trash it, it would just end up back in your hand... Correct?

Count, the two options, the first set of actions (the discard 2...) needs to be done before the second set of actions (+$3....)

[LastFootnote]

Huh, I just realized that Ironmonger is different than I thought it was. When I saw it on Goko, I thought revealing an Action gave +$1, revealing a Victory card gave +1 Card, and that's it. (Treasure gave nothing.)

[Glooble]

Rinkworks and I totally designed a card almost exactly like band of misfits in the early days of the Fan Cards subforum. It's called Master of Disguise. I remember having multiple arguments about the wording and whether it should be a five or a six.

Note that you don't want to play one after a few Highways...

[LastFootnote]

Rinkworks and I totally designed a card almost exactly like band of misfits in the early days of the Fan Cards subforum. It's called Master of Disguise. I remember having multiple arguments about the wording and whether it should be a five or a six.

Note that you don't want to play one after a few Highways...

Well, not after 5 highways. Anything less than that should be fine.

[Kirian]

Rinkworks and I totally designed a card almost exactly like band of misfits in the early days of the Fan Cards subforum. It's called Master of Disguise. I remember having multiple arguments about the wording and whether it should be a five or a six.

Note that you don't want to play one after a few Highways...

I knew it had been done!  I just couldn't remember where, when, or by whom.

[Beyond Awesome]

Huh, I just realized that Ironmonger is different than I thought it was. When I saw it on Goko, I thought revealing an Action gave +$1, revealing a Victory card gave +1 Card, and that's it. (Treasure gave nothing.)

I love how you also have the option of discarding the card, so you reveal a victory card, discard the victory card and then draw another card. In some cases, this will likely be better than Lab.

Also, Procession seems like it will be this set's KC, but mostly works best with other DA cards. Procession and Cultist, your opponent gets two Ruins and you draw seven cards. And, you gain a gold or some good $6 card. And, Procession Fortress seems fun.

[pst]

Some are the actual cards, some are Goku versions (larger lettering).

Ah, then I'm relieved!

[Watno]

The wording on ironmonger seems a bit strange to me. If you dont discard the revealed card, i assume it goes back to the top of the deck, but it doesnt explicitely say so.

[MrFrog]

That's the basic rule for 'revealing'.

[Beyond Awesome]

The wording on ironmonger seems a bit strange to me. If you dont discard the revealed card, i assume it goes back to the top of the deck, but it doesnt explicitely say so.

I believe the word reveal implies that it is still on the deck.

[Watno]

is there any other card doing it that way?

[rinkworks]

Rinkworks and I totally designed a card almost exactly like band of misfits in the early days of the Fan Cards subforum. It's called Master of Disguise. I remember having multiple arguments about the wording and whether it should be a five or a six.

I settled on $7 for my own games.  But that had a hard limit of "up to $5" not "less than this," which in retrospect is nice in the same way that Border Village is.  The "less than this" version probably works at any price, because as it gets more expensive, it gets more powerful.

I've played many games with it, and I can say that the "supply pile can't be empty" restriction can be really interesting.

[michaeljb]

The wording on ironmonger seems a bit strange to me. If you dont discard the revealed card, i assume it goes back to the top of the deck, but it doesnt explicitely say so.

That's the basic rule for 'revealing'.

Yup, just like Wishing Well.

[rinkworks]

I like that sometimes Ruined Library draws more cards than the real Library.

[Beyond Awesome]

Actually, the discard effect of Iron Monger is pretty good, now that I think of it. Reveal a copper, discard it and get +$, discard a Victory and draw a card, and well I guess when it hits actions, it's pretty situational.

[Donald X.]

What strikes me is that the main text on some cards have different size. That looks strange to me, at least when the cards are presented side-by-side like that.

It's because some of those images are from the .pdf, and some are from goko, and goko does not use the actual full images, it stores the text and art and stuff and pieces it together. Which, hey, means the text is more readable.