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Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:25:31 am »
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Submission Rules

* Submit no more than one card per person per challenge.  You do not need to submit for all challenges if you don't want to, but of course you can't win if you don't compete.
* Submit your cards to me via this forum's messaging system.  Submissions made after each week's deadline cannot be accepted.
* Each card you submit must have a name, a cost, a list of types, and the exact wording that should appear on the card.  Also include a brief description of any special design considerations (e.g., Stash having a unique back), but do NOT include any other information, such as strategic commentary or examples about it would play.
* Although you must submit names for each of your cards, the names will not be listed on the voting ballots, so make sure your card's appeal does not depend on your choice of name.
* I will accept revisions to your contest entries provided they are submitted to me before the deadline.  If you submit a revision to an entry you have previously submitted to me, resubmit your revised card(s) in their entirety.  That is, don't tell me "Oh, can you make that +2 Cards say +3 Cards instead?"  Just resubmit the full card.
* Only submit cards that are your own design.
* You may submit cards that have been previously posted here in this forum, including those that have been refined by the community as a whole, provided you can still claim that the central conceit of the card -- and the majority of its final version -- is yours.  This applies to cards previously posted, however -- if your submissions aren't already posted on his board, please refrain from doing so until after the results have been announced.
* A single card might conceivably qualify for multiple challenges within this series.  However, you may not submit the same card for more than one concurrent challenge.  That is, if you have submitted a card to one challenge, you may not submit it to another challenge until the results of that first challenge have been announced.
* Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere

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The deadline for this week's challenges is Monday, August 20, at 10am EDT.

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Challenge #12 - Non-Terminal Draw Card

Objective: Create a non-terminal drawing card.  This is a card that may be used to increase your hand-size from what it was before it was played from your hand, while also offering exactly +1 Action.  The card must never add more than +1 Action, but there is no maximum to how many cards it can add to your hand.  The card need not always increase your hand-size, but this should be a primary function of the card.  A Duration card increasing the size of a future hand instead of the current one is acceptable, so long as you still get +1 Action on the current turn.

"Draw up to X" cards are not permitted for this challenge.

Official Examples: Laboratory, Wishing Well, Scout, Caravan, Apprentice, Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Alchemist, Menagerie, Hunting Party, Stables, Governor.

Official Non-Examples: Spice Merchant, because although it offers +2 Cards and +1 Action, the fact that you have to trash a card from your hand means that your hand-size will not have increased after playing the card.  Warehouse, because although it offers +3 Cards and +1 Action, the required discarding means you wind up with fewer cards in your hand than before you played it.  Nobles, because although it offers +3 Cards and extra Actions, it doesn't offer both at the same time, and in any case when it gives extra Actions it gives +2 Actions instead of +1 Action.  Cultist, because although it allows you to play another Cultist, it doesn't give you +1 Action.  Wharf, because although it increases the size of a future turn, it doesn't provide +1 Action when played.

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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 10:27:16 am »
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The challenge # in the title is different from the one in your post.

But what I wanted to ask was: Will there be a challenge for a Treasure?

Official example: Wishing Well?
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 10:52:03 am »
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Fixed the challenge number, added Wishing Well to the list of official examples, and fixed the subject line of this thread (hence the edits by me to your posts).  Thanks.

An eventual Treasure challenge is inevitable, I'm sure.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 10:55:50 am »
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Not sure if I should resubmit...
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 11:04:10 am »
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Not sure if I should resubmit...

I am thinking the same thing....
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 11:13:27 am »
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Something tells me we're going to see a lot of scout jokes.......

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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 01:01:47 pm »
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Menagerie not an official example?
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 01:09:29 pm »
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Menagerie not an official example?

Added, thanks.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 01:16:45 pm »
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I had fun designing this one. Hard time pricing it though..
I love this challenge.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 02:01:48 pm »
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Would Market and Great Hall be considered as examples?
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 02:04:48 pm »
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Would Market and Great Hall be considered as examples?
No, because those cards don't increase your hand size (except with KC or golem....).

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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 02:05:10 pm »
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Would Market and Great Hall be considered as examples?
I think the card needs to be able to draw more than one.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 02:09:48 pm »
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Would Market and Great Hall be considered as examples?
No, because those cards don't increase your hand size (except with KC or golem....).

Ah okay...the objective did say that it may be used to increase your hand size so I'd just want to make sure. I suppose that you can probably do something like Market but with a chance or criteria that enables you to draw additional cards, according to the objective.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 02:11:30 pm »
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The point is, it's not really a draw card if it's only replacing itself....

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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 02:35:10 pm »
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Something tells me we're going to see a lot of scout jokes.......

I just hope I can make a card half as good as the all powerful Scout!

Boy Scout
$2 - Action

+1 Action

Reveal the top 2 Cards of your deck.  Put the revealed Victory cards in your hand.  Put the rest on the deck in any order.



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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 07:11:54 pm »
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Governor counts?
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 07:17:46 pm »
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* A single card might conceivably qualify for multiple challenges within this series.  However, you may not submit the same card for more than one concurrent challenge.  That is, if you have submitted a card to one challenge, you may not submit it to another challenge until the results of that first challenge have been announced.
* Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere

Do these contradict?  They kind of do, I think.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 09:14:03 pm »
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* A single card might conceivably qualify for multiple challenges within this series.  However, you may not submit the same card for more than one concurrent challenge.  That is, if you have submitted a card to one challenge, you may not submit it to another challenge until the results of that first challenge have been announced.
* Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere

Do these contradict?  They kind of do, I think.
not really. if I were to say "I'm resubmitting my potion card" then that'd be a violation, but if I don't tell anyone (besides rinkworks, who will notice) and just resubmit it, it violates neither rule.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 09:28:45 pm »
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Cultist doesn't count, right (It can be non terminal, but it can never give you +1 action)
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 09:30:45 pm »
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Not sure if I should resubmit...

Does this count as disclosing? :P

I think I'll just submit something else.  I did have a decent idea... main issue is that I'm not sure if it's my own brain child or if I am half-remembering it from reading it elsewhere.  I'm afraid of accidental plagiarism!  :-\
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 10:05:09 pm »
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Pretty happy with what I submitted, for both challenges this time around. Though I'm a little afraid neither one will make enough sense without knowing the card names :(
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 11:55:32 pm »
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Shouldn't Apprentice be on here too? (As well as Governor which someone mentioned above.)

I feel like the design space here is as narrow, or narrower, than that for the Terminal Silver contest.  Mainly because the prototypical card--Lab--has been the card against which other $5s are measured (better or worse) for a long time.  It'll be hard to make one not overpowered I think.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 03:53:03 am »
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Cultist doesn't count, right (It can be non terminal, but it can never give you +1 action)

Technically it is Terminal.  It's just that the action itself lets you specifically play another action.  KC, TR and Golem are like that too.

Pretty happy with what I submitted, for both challenges this time around. Though I'm a little afraid neither one will make enough sense without knowing the card names :(

The card names are the best parts of my submissions this time!  They match well with existing cards and cards in the set.
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 05:50:20 am »
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I've submitted my totally overpowered Lab.
Interested to see what you guys think. :)

= Makes a genius card in 5 minutes, will finally win a contest
= Card gets second to last after voting
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Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #12: Non-Terminal Draw!
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 09:28:05 am »
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As has been noted, Cultist is ineligible.  I added that to the list of non-examples.  But Apprentice and Governor certainly count, and I've added those to the eligible list.
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