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[Voltgloss]

No, suitclaims would out the major arcana.

This is an excellent point and one I completely forgot about.

Let me refine the question slightly and ask again.

If we arbitrarily grouped the major arcana to be honorary members of the "suits," would Day 1 suitclaims be a good or bad thing for the town?

By "arbitrarily group" I mean something like, "Major Arcana 0 through 5 would claim Cups; Major Arcana 6 through 10 would claim Pentacles; Major Arcana 11 through 16 would claim Swords; Major Arcana 17 through 21 would claim Wands."

Thoughts?

[Axxle]

While outing mafia-aligned major arcana would be good, outing town-aligned major arcana would be really, really bad, they'll be our super-powered power roles. We wouldn't know whether the Major Arcana we out are mafia or town, but scum certainly would.

I assume mafia-aligned major arcana would just lie anyway.  Or pretend to be town aligned.

[Eevee]

Wands and pentacles have 1 scum more than the cups and swords (4/14 and 5/14). Should we perhaps lynch a wand or a pentacle day1 then?

[yuma]

No, suitclaims would out the major arcana.

This is an excellent point and one I completely forgot about.

Let me refine the question slightly and ask again.

If we arbitrarily grouped the major arcana to be honorary members of the "suits," would Day 1 suitclaims be a good or bad thing for the town?

By "arbitrarily group" I mean something like, "Major Arcana 0 through 5 would claim Cups; Major Arcana 6 through 10 would claim Pentacles; Major Arcana 11 through 16 would claim Swords; Major Arcana 17 through 21 would claim Wands."

Thoughts?

Initially I'd say no, but I think about it more.

[Axxle]

No, suitclaims would out the major arcana.

This is an excellent point and one I completely forgot about.

Let me refine the question slightly and ask again.

If we arbitrarily grouped the major arcana to be honorary members of the "suits," would Day 1 suitclaims be a good or bad thing for the town?

By "arbitrarily group" I mean something like, "Major Arcana 0 through 5 would claim Cups; Major Arcana 6 through 10 would claim Pentacles; Major Arcana 11 through 16 would claim Swords; Major Arcana 17 through 21 would claim Wands."

Thoughts?

Oh, missed this.  Maybe?  I guess it would limit what scum could fakeclaim as? But it might also help scum narrow down the problematic roles.

[yuma]

Keep in mind that in RMM we were able to quote PMs which added some credibility to them and made faking harder.

Here I am assuming we can't.

[Axxle]

1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind.  Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.

[ftl]

I think it would give scum more info than town.

It would NOT prevent scum from lying! Because we're not guaranteed to have any particular number of any suit, mafia can still lie about which suit they are and then pick a role and honestly have a pretty good chance of having their fakeclaim unchallenged. In BMMMMMMMMMM , sideclaims and setclaims could get something because after everyone set/seat claimed, you could catch liars if two people claimed the same seat or if the wrong number of people claimed each set (we had claimed info that would verify how many from each set).

[shark_bait]

1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind.  Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.

Ha ha... thanks for the warning axxle 

[Axxle]

1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind.  Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.

Ha ha... thanks for the warning axxle 

Thanks, cayvie PM'ed me the rule... OH WAIT!

[Captain_Frisk]

The key difference I see between this and side / set claiming in Ozleland - is that in Ozleland there was some validation.  Timchen could validate the set claims, and there were a list of known seats, and lots of mod supplied information that made knowing who was in what seats very useful

In this game - unless we got really and had uneven distribution - what are we actually learning?  Cups / Swords are slightly less scummy (4/13 vs. 5/13)

Depending on whether investigative roles get flavor names or not - you could potentially be putting town in a situation in which they would prefer to lie (town aligned major arcana that is in Pentacles for example)

PPE - looks like I've been beaten by ftl - Also - per Axxle's post - perhaps it would just result in modkilling.

FOS: Axxle for trying to get people modkilled?

Cayvie - I like the Ace of Swords touch.  I am praying for the 1 in whatever chance that it went to Galz.

[Axxle]

FOS: Axxle for trying to get people modkilled?

How?

[cayvie]

The wind suddenly picks up and rushes around your ears. You can distinctly make out the sound of ghostly voices. They say, "There is at least one serial killer in this game." Then they say, "BOO!"

[Insomniac]

So I was gonna say that the main benefit of suit claiming might be to discern if we are dealing with one or two scum factions but perhaps the wind will tell us so I'm going to be against suit claiming

[Captain_Frisk]

FOS: Axxle for trying to get people modkilled?

How?

Sorry - confused you and voltgloss over the switch in pages.

[Morgrim7]

Hi guys. Vote: Captain_Frisk for voting for me with absolutely no reason whatsoever.

[O]

Captain Frisk is obviously Serial Killer guys, we even have mod confirmation.

Join me in my wagon.

[Captain_Frisk]

Hi guys. Vote: Captain_Frisk for voting for me with absolutely no reason whatsoever.

I have a whole forum full of reasons!

[Morgrim7]

Hi guys. Vote: Captain_Frisk for voting for me with absolutely no reason whatsoever.

I have a whole forum full of reasons!

Shoot your right.

[Morgrim7]

Hi guys. Vote: Captain_Frisk for voting for me with absolutely no reason whatsoever.

I have a whole forum full of reasons!

Shoot your right.

Ehh, O is right. Your obvSK.

[angrybirds]

vote: shraeye, a newb like I am

[angrybirds]

vote: shraeye

[cayvie]

Vote Count
Morgrim7 (3): Captain_Frisk, shraeye, ftl
Eevee (1): Axxle
yuma (1): Insomniac
angrybirds (1): yuma
Captain_Frisk (2): O, Morgrim7
shraeye (1): angrybirds

with 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch.

[cayvie]

Cayvie - I like the Ace of Swords touch.  I am praying for the 1 in whatever chance that it went to Galz.

I believe it works out to 1/64.

[shraeye]

Oh, my vote is still with Morgrim?  I thought I changed it to iPhones.  I'll give them both a break.
Unvote: Morgrim
Unvote: iPhones