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[cayvie]

i'm actually more curious why he killed Galz

i thought for sure he was either gonna kill Volt or no kill.

[Insomniac]

had a longer post but comp crashed and lost it i was on insomniac wagon, ftl was as well I think.

Yes, you both were.  Along with sparky. 

Unlike bussing sparky Day 2, "bussing" Insom late in Day 1 makes more sense as a Mafia move.  By that time the lynchwagon was rolling on a collision course with ehunt, and Insom - having claimed Doctor - was a likely nightkill target by competing scum.  So sparky (and maybe his teammate) wasn't actually CONTRIBUTING to Insom's death, and so his/their vote(s) were risk-free and would pay towncred dividends if Insom was nightkilled, thus flipping scum (as he did).

Will reread the order and timing of Day 1 votes re: Insom/ehunt.  There may be some further clues there.

But I'm also concerned a bit on how tunneling toward mafia this seems.  I'm going to be looking for mafia connections between ftl, robz, angrybirds, and you as mafia.  Also at you as WW.

Fair enough.  The reason I'm focused on Mafia right now is that we have new information available about the last Mafioso; we know he was a partner with Insom and sparky.  And now we have sparky's behavior throughout Day 2 to analyze through the lens of his flip. 

At present, I suspect we have 1 each of Mafia, WW*, and SK left.  Our goal today is to lynch one of them.  I think, because we have the most information about the last Mafioso today, we have the best chance at finding the last Mafioso today.  So that's where I'm scrutinizing now.

Also, I think it's premature to strike CF from the suspicion list.  It's possible he's a backup doctor but far from proven.  I especially don't like how he didn't reveal his Night 1 protection choice at the same time as his Night 2 choice, despite having been asked for both.  If CF were a real (backup) doctor, why wouldn't he have revealed both night protection choices together?  What, did he need to quickly look back to the end of Day 1 and pick someone who might make sense as a doctor target choice?  Feels eerily similar to Insom's claiming "doctor" Day 1 without simultaneously claiming his actual card.  Doling out information piecemeal could be because it's being manufactured.

* I know ftl posited 2 WWs remaining.  That would be 7 scum out of a town of 16.  Almost half?  That doesn't feel balanced to me, especially when we know that of the "9" town, at least 2 were VT and 2 were one-shots.  I think 6 scum out of 16 players is the more likely allocation.

This was the post that had me thinking you were SK or less likely a WW Volt.

[ftl]

Robz was pretty unlucky to be on a scumteam with me in joth's bastard mafia. I basically tunneled on him here because his play here seemed very similar to his scumplay in that BM. But I couldn't actually *make* that argument until we both died in that game.

[Robz888]

Robz was pretty unlucky to be on a scumteam with me in joth's bastard mafia. I basically tunneled on him here because his play here seemed very similar to his scumplay in that BM. But I couldn't actually *make* that argument until we both died in that game.

This is unfortunately exactly true. I remember telling him in our scum QT, "You're talking too much! Just lurk. With so many people, no one is going to hold you accountable for it." And then I remembered that's what I was doing in MIX, too. Ouch!

[ftl]

Also, I am *super*-glad that Morgrim turned out town here. I was really worried that if he were scum here, we'd end up with a meta where "morgrim doing things that make sense = scum, morg being random and crazy = town" and that would just be no fun for anyone.

[Robz888]

Also, I am *super*-glad that Morgrim turned out town here. I was really worried that if he were scum here, we'd end up with a meta where "morgrim doing things that make sense = scum, morg being random and crazy = town" and that would just be no fun for anyone.

Did Morgrim do things that made sense? He, uh, killed Grujah after Grujah was certainly town...

[ftl]

Well, not with his night actions, I guess. He did avoid hammering people at random though, and seemed to day-play more reasonably.

[Galzria]

Also, I am *super*-glad that Morgrim turned out town here. I was really worried that if he were scum here, we'd end up with a meta where "morgrim doing things that make sense = scum, morg being random and crazy = town" and that would just be no fun for anyone.

Did Morgrim do things that made sense? He, uh, killed Grujah after Grujah was certainly town...

Worse, he killed me when I was obvtown at the end - and I was the only one (Abirds was sheeping me D3) that saw Volt as the obvSK. Had he shot Volt instead, we would've won, and had he not shot at all we would've... probably lost still. Who knows. Depends. There would've been 5 alive, so 3 to lynch - which means Volt could still lynch whomever he chose. But hopefully I would've been able to present Volt as even more obvSK. Eh, probably wouldn't have ended in Town's favor either - but still. :-/ Death was just too powerful in the end.

[Voltgloss]

Grujah only looked conf-town if you assumed his kill wasn't the SK's.  Which you all did because the knife-in-the-back flavor looked like an SK kill.  But Morgrim was the only person who knew otherwise - and so from his point of view, Grujah could indeed have been the SK, putting one over on everybody.

[Morgrim7]

Oh, wow. Congrats, Volt! And thanks, Cayvie, for my most fun mafia game yet! BTW: If Volt didn't have those extra votes, who would you have believed, me or him?

[Galzria]

Morgrim, why did you shoot me over Volt? (or not shooting at all?)

[Voltgloss]

Oh, wow. Congrats, Volt! And thanks, Cayvie, for my most fun mafia game yet! BTW: If Volt didn't have those extra votes, who would you have believed, me or him?

I think you were vastly more credible than me at the end there Morgrim.    I knew that going in when I fakeclaimed Vig - my only goal in doing so was to get the Vig to counterclaim.  It was either you or Axxle, I wasn't sure which (and if it was you, you could have been a "normal" SK as well - but if so I figured you'd counterclaim Vig anyway).

cayvie, if you run this type of game again I'm definitely signing back up.

[Voltgloss]

Question for Axxle:  on Day 2 you commented about potentially fullclaiming and that it "should be pretty believable" or words to that effect.  All game long I figured you were a power role that had something to do with why the Werewolves got no kill Night 1.  Yet in the end you were a lonesome Mason, a claim that couldn't be proven at all?  Was that "pretty believable" comment just to throw wine in the scums' eyes?  (I guess it worked for that purpose as to me...)

[Morgrim7]

Morgrim, why did you shoot me over Volt? (or not shooting at all?)

I didnt know volt was scum.

[Galzria]

Morgrim, why did you shoot me over Volt? (or not shooting at all?)

I didnt know volt was scum.

Sure, and you didn't know I was town either. But were you randomly rolling a dice, or was there a reason?

[Grujah]

Question for Axxle:  on Day 2 you commented about potentially fullclaiming and that it "should be pretty believable" or words to that effect.  All game long I figured you were a power role that had something to do with why the Werewolves got no kill Night 1.  Yet in the end you were a lonesome Mason, a claim that couldn't be proven at all?  Was that "pretty believable" comment just to throw wine in the scums' eyes?  (I guess it worked for that purpose as to me...)

I guess it was to lure a bullet. Better him than Eevee, right?

Still, didn't work, Eevee bitten it

[Grujah]

Or he would claim mason and asked for a counterclaim (one of real masons saying he ain't one) - which wouldn't happen most likely.

[cayvie]

Oh yeah, i thought Axxle's play under pressure was excellent this game. I was amazed he never successfully lured a nightkill.

[angrybirds]

Oh, and Angrybirds. Dear, sweet Angrybirds. The hilarity of you locking onto me as scum D1 was almost too much to bear. I was convinced at one point that Cayvie must've mentioned me somehow in your PM because it was just to ironic that you would push to lynch the one person who had loved you your whole life!

yes. that is funny. I decided early that I would lock onto someone day 1 and not leave it until I felt I had a pretty good reason to do so, but as the game went into day 2 & 3 you had such a townie read on me I thought you mist either know my role or be mafia buddying up to me. if there had not been so many other good options to lynch each day I probably would have pressed you harder on it.

and just to say this but if we had lynched volt day 3 instead of pps, like I wanted, we probably would have won by lynching pps day 4. sigh... I blame myself for casting the hammer vote instead of trying harder to get volt.

[angrybirds]

anyway thanks for letting me play. this will probably be my last, and only, game I play. at least until school is over.  it was fun!

[Axxle]

Or he would claim mason and asked for a counterclaim (one of real masons saying he ain't one) - which wouldn't happen most likely.

This.  Mason is a more believable claim than most since there's so much more of a chance to be counter claimed.