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[chesskidnate]

Didn't check whole thread, I wouldn't be too surprised if Donald actually didn't make three of the other ruins as predictable as he implied but my guess for the mystery one is either a ruined chapel(as many others have posted) or a ruined workshop(gain a card costing up to 2$[poorhouse combo?])

[jonts26]

Page 7 and no one has said it:

1. Buy Feodom
2. Reveal Watchtower
3. Trash Feodom
4. Profit!

You missed a step of revealing Watchtower a few more times to put all those silvers on top.

Nope, got my edit in before your comment. But yeah, that should clearly be step 5.

[werothegreat]

Bizarro question for the day:

Can Ruins show up in the Black Market deck?  That'd suck almost as bad as getting Treasure Map.

They can't, because they are not part of the kingdom cards, just as Curses, Potions and Platinums can't.

Nice avatar.  Think I may give mine a change, just for giggles...

[LastFootnote]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

[Voltgloss]

Ruined Chapel: Reveal three other Ruins cards from your hand.  If you do, trash this and the revealed cards. 

[Dsell]

Feodum is great with watchtower in hand. Buy feodum, trash it, gain 3 silvers, topdeck them all!

Edit: nooooo I was ninja'd a page ago.

Page 7 and no one has said it:

1. Buy Feodom
2. Reveal Watchtower
3. Trash Feodom
4. Profit!

EDIT: And the profit goes on top of your deck.

[cooperaa]

I still don't know how these Ruins cards aren't going to completely screw up your deck.  Shelters seem like the most likely answer.

Others have suggested Shelters might allow you to trash Ruins or protect you from Ruins, but what if the Shelters simply give you actions so that you can play the Ruins?

Shelter - $2
Action / Victory
+ 2 Actions
0 VP

[werothegreat]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

Ruined Chapel: Gain a card from the Trash costing $0.

[LastFootnote]

How about opening Trader/Embargo, embargoing the Feoda (I just looked up the plural), picking up more Traders and then get a free Silver on most Feoda buys?

A free Silver? You want to buy the Feoda first, then Embargo the Silver pile 10 times, and then somehow get like $9 and 3 buys with Trader in hand.  Not exactly practical, but definitely awesome.

You're still thinking too small. Embargo the Copper or Curse pile so that you can gain multiple Silvers with each buy without having to spend $3 on each one.

[GendoIkari]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

I think Ruined Smithy will be called Ruined Library. And if it is, perhaps it will actually say "draw until you have at least 5 cards in hand."

I think Ruined Village giving +2 Actions is just too good for a Ruins. In almost any Kingdom without a Village; you will be happy to get those.

[GendoIkari]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

Ruined Chapel: Gain a card from the Trash costing $0.

Wouldn't that be a Ruined Graverobber?

[LastFootnote]

I think Ruined Village giving +2 Actions is just too good for a Ruins. In almost any Kingdom without a Village; you will be happy to get those.

Not in most games with junk-giving Attacks, you wouldn't. For instance, any game with Ruins.

[werothegreat]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

Ruined Chapel: Gain a card from the Trash costing $0.

Wouldn't that be a Ruined Graverobber?

No.  It's doing the opposite of what you want Chapel to do.

By the way, I kind of really want Graverobber as my avatar.  Add these to the Avatar library, theory!

[pauley_walnuts]

I still don't know how these Ruins cards aren't going to completely screw up your deck.  Shelters seem like the most likely answer.

Others have suggested Shelters might allow you to trash Ruins or protect you from Ruins, but what if the Shelters simply give you actions so that you can play the Ruins?

Shelter - $2
Action / Victory
+ 2 Actions
0 VP

Aren't there other cards that you can use to protect you from gaining Ruins though? Watchtower, Trader, Moat, etc. I'm kind of hoping Shelters are completely unrelated to Ruins and do their own thing.

[wrathofmine]

I still don't know how these Ruins cards aren't going to completely screw up your deck.  Shelters seem like the most likely answer.

Others have suggested Shelters might allow you to trash Ruins or protect you from Ruins, but what if the Shelters simply give you actions so that you can play the Ruins?

Shelter - $2
Action / Victory
+ 2 Actions
0 VP

Shelter - $2
Action / Victory
+ 1 action
Tou may play a Ruin from your hand

Would be more logical like that. You can play a ruin for free but not any other action

[eHalcyon]

I'll take a shot at predicting the other Ruins.

Ruined Smithy: +1 Card.
Ruined Village: +2 Actions.
Ruined Woodcutter: +1 Coin.
Ruined Chapel: Trash a card from your hand.

Ruined Smithy might be +2 Cards and still be sufficiently bad.
Ruined Village could be +1 Action, but that's a card you almost never have any incentive to play. It's incredibly uninteresting. I'd prefer +2 Actions; Discard a card.
Ruined Chapel seems like it would be much more powerful than the others, especially in a Dark Ages-heave setup, so it's the least likely.

Ruined Chapel: Gain a card from the Trash costing $0.

Wouldn't that be a Ruined Graverobber?

No.  It's doing the opposite of what you want Chapel to do.

By the way, I kind of really want Graverobber as my avatar.  Add these to the Avatar library, theory!

Ruined cards don't do the opposite of their unruined counterparts.  They are a much weaker version of another card.  Ruined Market doesn't say "you can't buy anything this turn."

Besides, those are cards which you would simply never play.  Ruined Market you could still use, sometimes.

[GendoIkari]

I think Ruined Village giving +2 Actions is just too good for a Ruins. In almost any Kingdom without a Village; you will be happy to get those.

Not in most games with junk-giving Attacks, you wouldn't. For instance, any game with Ruins.

Actually I would say the exact opposite! A +2 actions cards lets you play those Ruined Markets and Ruined Libraries; making them less painful to have in your deck.

[jotheonah]

Maybe shelters are like Native Villages for Ruins. Like if you get hit by a ruin, you can reveal a shelter to store it instead, and then use shelters to play them at will. Or maybe not.

[Dsell]

Also, I predict:

Ruined Market: +1 Buy

Ruined Laboratory (Maybe Council Room): +1 Card

Ruined Village: +1 Action

Ruined Festival: +$1

The other is tricky, but I suppose I'll go with Ruined Workshop: Gain a card costing up to $2.

[werothegreat]

Maybe shelters are like Native Villages for Ruins. Like if you get hit by a ruin, you can reveal a shelter to store it instead, and then use shelters to play them at will. Or maybe not.

No mats in this set.

[pauley_walnuts]

I wonder if there's a balance to the Ruins. If Ruined Village with only +1 action, then that would be the worst Ruin. The others at least give you something if you have extra actions in hand.

[KingsSkort]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IT JUST DAWNED ON ME

SHELTERS PROTECT YOU FROM LOOTERS
i.e.

Shelter
Victory-Reaction
$2
0 VP

When another player plays a Looter card, you may reveal this from your hand.  If you do, you are unaffected by that Looter.

This seems likely, but Shelter should still give 1VP. I don't know why it can't just be a strictly better estate that keeps the otherwise-OP looters in check.

[shMerker]

Ruined Treasure Map: Trash this card and another ruined treasure map from your hand. If you do gain an Island.
Ruined Mint: You may reveal a treasure card from your hand. If you do gain a copper.
Ruined Mine: Trash a treasure from your hand. Gain a treasure card costing up to $1 more than the it.

[jotheonah]

Page 7 and no one has said it:

1. Buy Feodom
2. Reveal Watchtower
3. Trash Feodom
4. Profit!

EDIT: And the profit goes on top of your deck.

I saw steps 1-3 in another thread.
It is a really interesting combo though, maybe as good (at least close) as the trader one.

It's like a mini-treasure map but a lot less work.

[Voltgloss]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IT JUST DAWNED ON ME

SHELTERS PROTECT YOU FROM LOOTERS
i.e.

Shelter
Victory-Reaction
$2
0 VP

When another player plays a Looter card, you may reveal this from your hand.  If you do, you are unaffected by that Looter.

This seems likely, but Shelter should still give 1VP. I don't know why it can't just be a strictly better estate that keeps the otherwise-OP looters in check.

Agreed.  Ruins are only used if a Looter is in play, right?  So how about: if a Looter is in play, the Estate stack is replaced with the Shelter stack.  (And starting Estates are replaced with starting Shelters.)