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Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« on: July 29, 2012, 03:24:09 pm »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201207/29/game-20120729-104210-ccac18c7.html

On this board:
-there's no decent virtual money (only fishing village and mandarin)
-There's no way to spam your deck with cheap action cards (No +buy etc)
-oracle helps pirate ship find treasures

I think pirate ship is unignorable.

I'd also like to discuss the following:  I think pirate ship doesn't work that well, and I'll try to explain why.  I don't just mean it's a weak card in 2p.  The problem I find is that the pirate ship tokens have too large of a step size.  In a game where you're going for provinces you will usually get up to around 4 before you need to start using it for the money.  I feel like this happening is just largely unaffected by how you play it. 
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 03:34:17 pm »
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hmm, I disagree - there's a fantastic nonterminal trasher (apprentice), and mandarin is nothing to sneeze at. i think ignoring pirate ship (and golem) is fine here.
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 03:35:35 pm »
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(to clarify, mandarin is worse than gold for three reasons: one, it's a terminal action; two, it can be awkward to buy, and three, you have to put a card back on your deck)

in a fishing village game, however, only point three applies, but on the flip-side you can top-deck an oracle if you get lucky.
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 04:36:19 pm »
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I'd like to try to play it.  Would you buy any treasure ever?  Definitely not silver, but gold?  I just feel like fv/mandarin  will be tough because your hands are gonna be small always.  You would need a lot of oracles, and there's no +buy here.
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 04:49:10 pm »
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I'll happily take the Fishing Village + Mandarin + Oracle side of this match against Pirate Ship if you want.

Send me a gmail message when you want to play, rrenaud@gmail.com
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 05:01:33 pm »
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I'd like to try to play it.  Would you buy any treasure ever?  Definitely not silver, but gold?  I just feel like fv/mandarin  will be tough because your hands are gonna be small always.  You would need a lot of oracles, and there's no +buy here.

i promised a friend i'd give him 500 dollars if i ever played online dominion again, so you should play rrenaud.
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 06:08:12 pm »
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I'd like to try to play it.  Would you buy any treasure ever?  Definitely not silver, but gold?  I just feel like fv/mandarin  will be tough because your hands are gonna be small always.  You would need a lot of oracles, and there's no +buy here.

I think you have to buy two, maybe three Silvers at the start, but once you have a couple of Mandarins you likely wouldn't want to buy more.  I imagine your Pirate-Shipping opponent will help trim your deck afterward, and lack of +Buy isn't that much of a problem, as your opponent will spend extra turns gaining tokens.
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Re: Is pirate ship dominant here? FV/oracle/golem.
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 06:18:08 pm »
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With fishing village you can avoid silver completely against pirate ship I think.
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