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[yuma]

Me and Ins couldn't connect to Iso cause it was malfunctioning, so we played it out on FunSockets. I don't know how long that FunSockets host logs so I saved them on my db.

Grujah 3 - 2 Insomniac.

Game 1:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20240121/vsIns/Baron.txt
I go BM-Baron/Smithy he makes this huge Smithy/WV engine. He didn't manage to catch up with me.

Game 2:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20240121/vsIns/Coppersmith.txt
I go BM + few supports (Should have gotten more moats) he makes this huge Lab/Market/Bazaar/Coppersmith engine. This time, he managed to catch up with a last minute comback and wins.

Game 3:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20240121/vsIns/Torturer.txt
Torturer hell. Ended on piles, Tort, WV and Curses. I won because I had Bishop who got me some VP.

Game 4:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20240121/vsIns/Amb1.txt
He just stomps me. He goes Caravans while I try Ambasador sheneningans and fail.

Game 5:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20240121/vsIns/King%27sCourt.txt
Big Shot Kards. KC, Wharf, Amb, Sea Hag.
I Ambasador away 6 curses in one turn
He managed a early KC, I struggled hitting 5. Came at about equal decks, he was lacking Wharfs perhaps.
Ended on piles, Great Halls, Shanty Towns and Curses. I won.

First tournament game on Funsockets! Awesome!

[ednever]

ednever 3
Rhombus 2

Logs:
A long drawn out battle. Rhombus pulls ahead, but my slimmed Ambassador deck is able to flood him with curses and I pull out a victory:
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-182804-b42cd09a.html

Colonies >> Vineyards. Rhombus takes it
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-185324-f9faaaa7.html

University with killer $5s >> Familiar. ednever takes it
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-190006-2abd12b8.html

Pirate Ship is an awesome enabler for Dukes. Rhombus wallops me
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-191452-92fa6bb7.html

Do you trash your Mining Villages to get a Grand Market when you have a Haggler and Minion is on the board? Answer: Yes. Hard to come back from that. Game and series: ednever
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-192634-e16327db.html


Great set of games. In the first four we each played very different strategies and the best strategy won. I just got lucky to be first player with a single good draw off the start in the last game and GM's become a steamroller.

Ed

[Grujah]

First tournament game on Funsockets! Awesome!

I felt kinda stupid cause name of tourney is "IsoDom" 

[Insomniac]

My comments on the fun set with Grujah

Game 1:
I went WV+Smithy here hoping the +Buy would help me come back late game. It didn't.

Game 2:
When I looked at this board I saw everything I needed for a late game engine. Outpost provides a psuedo buy early and late game with a lab engine it doesn't matter if you have 3 cards you'll get your deck. Market is needed as a source of REAL +buy here. Bazaar is 2 coins AND a village. Coppersmith is a powerhouse in a deck filled of mostly copper. Lab is my card draw engine and what I focus the most on. Because of coppersmith, +buy(s) and villages I manage to start building my deck quick and have quite a lot of power at the end of the game. On the last turn I could have waited to try and end it on my outpost turn but I was pretty sure it was safer to end it for sure and my math suggested I would win.

Game 3:
First to torturer gets to torture the torturing torturers into torturer oblivion. Oh and also I detoured for a ghost ship because I like a ghost ship in the torturer engine (to force a discard first and then they toss a turn or take the curses). Anyways bishop here was the right call.

Game 4: I can't remember where I saw it but recently I saw someone say if you theoretically get to play a caravan everyturn then you have 6 card hands. Caravan is a cantrip the turn you play it and a lab the next so its a net 0 on the turn you play it for a net benefit the next turn. It costs less than a lab but it misses the reshuffle more than lab. Anyways I figured caravan/mint was right here, my mint allowed me to junk some of the copper I knew I'd be receiving from ambassador and that allowed me to delay my ambassador purchase to buy money quicker. I got a few throne rooms because TR+Caravan is a village double lab, TR+Mint is double good stuff and TR+Amb also helps catch up. Other than that I just buy money and VP


Game 5:
Best curse slog I've played in a long time, perhaps ever. He opens Amb to counter sea hag and give me garbage I stick with sea hag and get a late amb. I manage to get KC first but by the time I have a lot of draw cards its hard to line them up with KC.

Thanks again for the games.

[Kirian]

Aaaaaaand while rspeer and I are playing our 5th game, Iso seems to go down.

Edit:  OK, here's the first four logs:

Kirian 38-27 rspeer http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-190631-1c2deaf6.html
Kirian 31-23 rspeer http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-192344-4dcc0c1d.html
Kirian 27-35 rspeer http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-193339-263e3629.html
Kirian 21-51 rspeer http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-194448-1c046e06.html

Game 1:  Jack with almost nothing else interesting.  First-player advantage and some luck take it.
Game 2:  Interesting set.  Rspeer's last two turns are terrible, which allows me to sneak the win.  University to gain Inn, shuffle actions in, then Torturer to draw them... was pretty cool.
Game 3:  I suck at Governor, forgetting that the PPR really becomes the third-to-last Province rule in Governor games.
Game 4:  I suck at reading, intending to get Develop for its interaction with IGG (Gold/Island on deck isn't bad).  Alas, I miss that Chapel is on the board too.  And then I continue to suck at Governor.

Game 5:

So, yeah.  Iso decided to go unstable on us while I was up quite a bit (10 to -4 or so at the end of rspeer's turn, and I was about to pass him a Curse).  Board was Goons, Masq, Farming Village, Mining Village, Witch, Chapel, and some unimportant cards I can't remember.  I'll be able to post the logs tomorrow when CR.com scrapes them.  I really think I had rspeer on the ropes here, but he wasn't really in a position where he'd be resigning yet.

Alas, I'm at an impasse where, as tournament director, I can't make an impartial decision regarding this.  So I throw it to the forum for, at the very least, thoughts.  Play the same kingdom again?  Play something completely new?  Try to make the case to the public that the game was in hand?  Call it unresolvable and declare a tie?  Thoughts from the masses?

[rspeer]

Kirian was reasonably on his way to beating me in the fifth game. We were playing similar decks (unreliable engines with Goons and Masquerade, among cursers and trashers), but he had fewer curses, two more bridges, and two more villages, and IIRC he was up in score something like 10 to -4. We won't know the exact state of the game until the cr.com log goes up tomorrow.

But it's not a position I would have resigned from. I had maybe a 1% chance of coming back and winning.

Two reasonable options are that we play the last game another time, with Kirian going first again, or that I make everything simpler by conceding. This is one of those "ask the tournament director" situations, except Kirian is the tournament director.

So... would any of the armchair ethicists on this forum care to weigh in?

[Kirian]

Heh, my edit was ninja'd by rspeer.

[Eevee]

If you really think you had just 1% to win, I think you should just give it to Kirian. I'd say this holds true until 10% at least.

[rspeer]

Sounds about right then.

Kirian, you played well and Isotropic took away what was almost certainly a victory for you. I concede the match.

Thanks for all you've done in setting up this tournament, by the way.

[rspeer]

Kirian 31-23 rspeer http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/01/game-20120801-192344-4dcc0c1d.html

Game 2:  Interesting set.  Rspeer's last two turns are terrible, which allows me to sneak the win.  University to gain Inn, shuffle actions in, then Torturer to draw them... was pretty cool.

Looks like Iso ate these logs, too. But yeah, Game 2 was a really interesting set.

In addition to the University/Torturer/Inn shebang Kirian described, there were lighthouses to defend, and there were also Great Halls, Transmutes, and Dukes, and I was trying to Transmute excess actions from my universities (especially Great Halls) during my combos to gain lots of Duchies along the way. (They split 4-4 anyway.)

I had to stop multiple times to read the text on Transmute, because I haven't played Transmute with a purpose in years. But I probably played it too often, which earned me those sucky hands at the end.

[Kirian]

FWIW, here's the scrape from CR.com:

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120801-200338-7bde70a8.html

Since this is a Masquerade game, the game state is not completely clear; I think I had only one Curse at this point, and was about to pass another to rspeer (who would have passed me one as well).  It didn't record my other Bridge purchase either.  I guess our action totals were closer than I thought, but my deck was a lot thinner; I probably would have taken Gold + Bridge on my next buy, and the Bridges would then have been in danger of being run out, with rspeer having little chance to catch up on victory tokens.

I think looking at this I'd give him closer to a 5-10% chance to recover, but all those Coppers and Curses were going to make his deck really hard to work with.

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In game 2, rspeer got the chance to Transmute a Great Hall for both a Duchy and a Gold, which was kinda cool.

[Jorbles]

If I qualify for the Bracket B finals, I want to let my opponent know that I'll be on vacation from Aug 4 to Aug 12. From the 7th on I'll have limited internet and can probably coordinate a game for when I get back. Hope that's okay, Kirian!

[Eevee]

i forfeit, lekkit gets the win. dropping out too if there are any more rounds.

[lespeutere]

lespeutere vs Obi Wan Bonogi
3 - 1

1 - 0 (75 - 56)
We have goons as the central card, apothecaries, nobles, minions, golems (, scouts) as helpers. We split goons 5/5, he gets 3 minions vs my 2, 6 apos vs. my 4 but I get 6 nobles vs. his 2. Hard to figure out how far we can drain the piles w/o letting the other one win. Finally I empty 3 piles (with 1st player advantage).

1 - 1 (20 - 25)
Goons again, no engine potential though as there is no draw anywhere. OWB gets his goons together earlier, maybe the 2nd quarry was key here?!? Don't know. Well, with consistently playing goons every turn he comfortably drains the piles, I should've tried to buy some green earlier but I don't think I had a realistic chance to win it, despite the mere 5 point difference.

2 - 1 (36 - 21
I start 4/3 on this remake, city, minion, ghost ship board, while OWB starts 5/2 which I see as my advantage. He starts with minion while I go for remake/silver, but he misses to build up a minion lead, buying a city and a ghost ship instead resulting in a 7/2 minion split for me (he gets his 3rd minion in his last turn, activating the cities' level 3) which I think is key, here. I start greening with 7 minions but w/o any +buy while he has a salvager and a jack so he's able to gain cards while I'm not. He could've tied by buying 2 duchies and the last province on his last turn or won with an additional estate. Instead he has to activate cities and hope for me having stalled or drawn badly but I haven't and can finish it.

3 - 1 (30 - 13)
Goons again... This time there are NV and scrying pool as support, but there is witch as well and trading post, quarry (which I skip) as enabler for early purchases of expensive cards. I start militia/NV, OWB quarry/NV. He gets his witch on t3, while I get a potion for SP. I've got a little more junk cards and less NVs but 5 SPs compared to his 3. NVs are gone early, curses shortly afterwards. In t17 he gets 3 goons so emptying the goons pile is within my reach with a nice SP/NV/goons turn which I get in t19.

3 goons games out of 4 - and this against one the more skilled engine builders - I'm really happy I could win this series, thanks for the match!

[turkman]

Turkman (3) vs andwilk (2)

Andwilk and I just finished our games. They were mostly fun, though I was not a fan of a couple of the sets. I ended up resigning two of the games because andwilk clearly had them.

Unfortunately, I do not have much time right now to provide more details. But, here are the logs.

game 1: andwilk 30 / turkman [resigned]
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/05/game-20120805-170626-f0471bb9.html

game 2: turkman 60 / andwilk 34
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/05/game-20120805-171643-e66338ae.html

game 3: andwilk 18 / turkman 33
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/05/game-20120805-172529-82cdc632.html

game 4: andwilk 27 / turkman (resigned)
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/05/game-20120805-173335-8f7b0af7.html

game 5: turk 58, andwilk 56
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201208/05/game-20120805-175237-d55bf5b6.html

[jmieden]

jmieden 3 - bedlam 2

Council Room doesn't have our games yet- I will post when I can. Here's what I remember

Game 1- bedlam 55, jmieden 54 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120805-203018-dbe3583f.html

Game 2- bedlam 52, jmieden 61 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120805-205752-2ec49e1e.html

Game 3- bedlam 36, jmieden 30 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120805-211010-5331f6d7.html

Game 4- jmieden 43, bedlam 36 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120805-212141-1e8a78a0.html

Game 5- bedlam 36, jmieden 37 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120805-212846-9081b226.html

I'm not sure why council room doesn't have them up- we played last night at 8p-9p pacific time.

[Kirian]

I'm waiting on word from the last two matches, one in A, one in B, where I've heard from both players that, yes, the match is happening, but haven't seen results posted yet.  Unfortunately, in both cases the outcome of the match will determine whether someone continues.

Edit:  I'm wrong, though I had to look at Bracket B more carefully.  In bracket B, the only thing the last unplayed match will determine is which of those two players is seeded fourth, and which is fifth... and so they'll play each other anyway! Dammit, this was wrong.

Still waiting on Bracket A, though.  B and C elimination brackets will be posted in the next couple of hours.

NOTE: Remember that the tie-breakers on Challonge ARE NOT CORRECT due to byes, drops, etc.  Here are the standings for the two known brackets:

Bracket B:

Isn't actually set yet.

Bracket C:

Qvist
Wizard of Woz
Teproc
angrybirds
yudantaiteki (chriskern)
jmieden
clb
Grujah (SpajderDzerusalem)

I want to express some thansk to bedlam and Insomniac for actually sticking around and playing out their last matches!

[yuma]

sad face ( ) I'm the only 3-2 player from group B not to advance

[Kirian]

sad face ( ) I'm the only 3-2 player from group B not to advance

Turkman and zxcvbn2 are also 3-2 (zxcvbn has 2-2 with one bye).

[looks at spreadsheet]

Goddammit.  Hold the presses.  Group B's last match does affect the tiebreakers.  Shit.

[Wizard of Woz]

Will the elimination brackets be posted on the same Challonge page as the Swiss match-ups?

[Qvist]

Will the elimination brackets be posted on the same Challonge page as the Swiss match-ups?

And basically we can already start scheduling out matches in Bracket C, right? I assume it's going to be #1-#8, #2-#7, etc.

[Kirian]

Yes, and yes.

[jmieden]

NOTE: Remember that the tie-breakers on Challonge ARE NOT CORRECT due to byes, drops, etc.  Here are the standings for the two known brackets:

Bracket B:

Isn't actually set yet.

Bracket C:

Qvist
Wizard of Woz
Teproc
angrybirds
yudantaiteki (chriskern)
jmieden
clb
Grujah (SpajderDzerusalem)

I want to express some thansk to bedlam and Insomniac for actually sticking around and playing out their last matches!

Is this one official or the one on Challonge? I'm ranked 6th in this one, but 7th on Challonge due to a tiebreak point placing clb ahead of me. Just asking so I can coordinate with the right opponent. Thanks!

Edit: nvm- I see the first sentence of my quote. I assume that's what we're doing.

[Insomniac]

I'm waiting on word from the last two matches, one in A, one in B, where I've heard from both players that, yes, the match is happening, but haven't seen results posted yet.  Unfortunately, in both cases the outcome of the match will determine whether someone continues.

Edit:  I'm wrong, though I had to look at Bracket B more carefully.  In bracket B, the only thing the last unplayed match will determine is which of those two players is seeded fourth, and which is fifth... and so they'll play each other anyway! Dammit, this was wrong.

Still waiting on Bracket A, though.  B and C elimination brackets will be posted in the next couple of hours.

NOTE: Remember that the tie-breakers on Challonge ARE NOT CORRECT due to byes, drops, etc.  Here are the standings for the two known brackets:

Bracket B:

Isn't actually set yet.

Bracket C:

Qvist
Wizard of Woz
Teproc
angrybirds
yudantaiteki (chriskern)
jmieden
clb
Grujah (SpajderDzerusalem)

I want to express some thansk to bedlam and Insomniac for actually sticking around and playing out their last matches!

No worries, but to be fair I knew that I had a chance of top 8ing on tie breaks

[Kirian]

True, I believe everyone still in bracket C had a chance of getting into the top 8.

I'm giving our last two matches until tomorrow night to get their results turned in, because I'm on a plane on Thursday.  If they're not in, both players forfeit their spots in the Top 8--no handshake ties, as stated above.