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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2012, 01:54:29 am »
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I think I'd lead toward Academy.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #151 on: September 13, 2012, 03:49:56 pm »
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I like Academy a lot.  Another suggestion:  "Parley."  A particular kind of meeting where everybody makes concessions.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #152 on: September 13, 2012, 04:24:18 pm »
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I like Academy a lot.  Another suggestion:  "Parley."  A particular kind of meeting where everybody makes concessions.

Made famous by Pirates of the Caribbean. :D

Is there a good medieval word for a Classroom?  Lecture Theatre, maybe?  Building names like Academy seem more VP-ish to me.  It's a grey area though.  Academy is nice.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #153 on: September 13, 2012, 06:04:06 pm »
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Amphithetre

…I think I spelled that right?
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #154 on: September 13, 2012, 06:15:05 pm »
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Close!
Amphitheatre

…I think I spelled that right?
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #155 on: September 13, 2012, 06:48:51 pm »
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Amphitheater

Aw, yeah that should be right^

That would be a good name for this card.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #156 on: September 13, 2012, 06:51:36 pm »
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I thought about amphitheatre, but those are often used for entertainment, right?  It's not as academic as Laboratory, and since it's not a room it is also less evocative of Council Room.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #157 on: September 13, 2012, 06:53:32 pm »
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I thought about amphitheatre, but those are often used for entertainment, right?  It's not as academic as Laboratory, and since it's not a room it is also less evocative of Council Room.

A theater is sort of like a Council Room.

In a way.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #158 on: September 14, 2012, 03:43:48 am »
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Of the suggestions so far I like Academy best.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2012, 04:01:00 am »
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Museum is a nice card (I even voted for it IIRC), but it was made before Feodum was revealed, and IMO it fills the exact same niche as it in a less interesting way. I don't think it would have won if Feodum had existed when the contest was run.

At any rate, are all the cards currently in the set guaranteed to make it to the "final product"? I know some of these cards will need to be adjusted after playtesting, but what if a card can't be fixed?
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2012, 10:43:27 am »
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I still hold a bias against my own Harbinger.  :P

Museum could use testing to see how similar it is to Feodum. I think it would be sufficiently different.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2012, 11:51:56 am »
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Museum is an interesting card. It makes you not want to trash Coppers in an engine and makes you pick up some actual Treasures.

I did vote for the card, but it might be too good in BM.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2012, 06:43:50 pm »
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I did vote for the card, but it might be too god in BM.

Dude, take it to RSP.

I think... I agree that Feodum is a similar card, and fills a similar niche. I also agree they're different enough to exist together, but at the same time, I don't think having both is a good thing especially. When we add to that there being three tied winners of the victory card contest... it's a bit unfair on CF though.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2012, 06:48:12 pm »
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I say we boot Feodum from DA, instead.

In all seriousness, if the card is okay power-wise, I say leave it in. It won, so it deserves to be there.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2012, 07:43:50 pm »
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What if Museum didn't strictly count Copper, Silver and Gold?  The set is going to have at least three alt treasures -- what if it counted sets of three different treasures?  That would be a fairly big buff to Museum, but it would also allow it to move further from Feodum due to interaction with alt treasures.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2012, 09:57:42 pm »
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So something like "Choose 3 unique treasures. Worth 1 VP for each set in your deck."?

Really really good with Talisman, Silver, Copper. Buy all the Talismans, get them all in play at once, buy a Silver and a Copper. All your museums are worth 10 each.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2012, 11:03:34 pm »
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So something like "Choose 3 unique treasures. Worth 1 VP for each set in your deck."?

Really really good with Talisman, Silver, Copper. Buy all the Talismans, get them all in play at once, buy a Silver and a Copper. All your museums are worth 10 each.

I was thinking even stronger than that, but maybe it's too strong.  I was thinking something like, "Worth 1 VP for each set of three different treasures."

Which means say you could have a set with Copper, Silver and Gold, but a different set with Copper, Silver and Quarry.

OTOH, your Talisman example is predicated on having all 10 of a card. ;)
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #167 on: September 22, 2012, 11:10:38 pm »
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I did vote for the card, but it might be too god in BM.

Dude, take it to RSP.

Aah! Thank you! I'll go fix that typo.

eHalcyon's suggestion is an interesting one. But joth's does make a good point.

I dont think we should remove the card entirely though. People (like myself) havent given votes to certain cards because there are all ready 3 Victory cards in the set. But I dont know exactly how you would change the card to make it different from Feodum.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2012, 11:14:29 pm »
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I did vote for the card, but it might be too god in BM.

Dude, take it to RSP.

Aah! Thank you! I'll go fix that typo.

eHalcyon's suggestion is an interesting one. But joth's does make a good point.

I dont think we should remove the card entirely though. People (like myself) havent given votes to certain cards because there are all ready 3 Victory cards in the set. But I dont know exactly how you would change the card to make it different from Feodum.

It was just a thought I had since we ended up with an alt Gold and an alt Silver (and I really hope we get alt Copper out of the current contest).  I think the change may be too big though.  CF should get in here and give some thoughts!

I still think that testing will show that it plays differently from Feodum.  It's interesting because Gold is a big bottleneck.  I'm not entirely sure if it's easier picking up 3 Silver vs. picking up Silver and Gold (I'm guessing that it'll be rare that you'll need to pick up an eighth Copper).
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #169 on: September 22, 2012, 11:16:10 pm »
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Your version seems like a nightmare to count. FWIW, the Talisman thing doesn't necessarily make it broken. It might be nice to see a card that makes Talisman super strong, and you're right that players will probably just end up fighting for them anyway.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2012, 11:17:49 pm »
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Your version seems like a nightmare to count. FWIW, the Talisman thing doesn't necessarily make it broken. It might be nice to see a card that makes Talisman super strong, and you're right that players will probably just end up fighting for them anyway.

Don't know if it would be so hard -- gather and sort all Treasure in deck and deal out sets of three.  Your take is simpler though, for sure.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2012, 11:19:39 pm »
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Oh, I was thinking you could count the same Copper twice, once in a set of C,S,G and again in a set of C,S,Q and again in a set of C,G,Q etc., etc.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #172 on: September 22, 2012, 11:21:51 pm »
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Oh, I was thinking you could count the same Copper twice, once in a set of C,S,G and again in a set of C,S,Q and again in a set of C,G,Q etc., etc.

OH, no.  That would be insane.  Just having 4 different treasures would be worth 4 points!
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #173 on: September 22, 2012, 11:27:11 pm »
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My main problem with museum is with its ideal "strategy", it pretty much functions as a stronger duchy in a Big Money+X deck. The most interesting thing it does is make you rethink strategies involving trashing or engine building, which is giving advantage to a boring strategy.

It would be easy to simulate this card. I can imagine an optimised doublejack+museum being ridiculous.
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Re: The Contest Set Card List
« Reply #174 on: September 22, 2012, 11:30:41 pm »
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I did vote for the card, but it might be too god in BM.

Dude, take it to RSP.

Aah! Thank you! I'll go fix that typo.

eHalcyon's suggestion is an interesting one. But joth's does make a good point.

I dont think we should remove the card entirely though. People (like myself) havent given votes to certain cards because there are all ready 3 Victory cards in the set. But I dont know exactly how you would change the card to make it different from Feodum.

It was just a thought I had since we ended up with an alt Gold and an alt Silver (and I really hope we get alt Copper out of the current contest).  I think the change may be too big though.  CF should get in here and give some thoughts!

I still think that testing will show that it plays differently from Feodum.  It's interesting because Gold is a big bottleneck.  I'm not entirely sure if it's easier picking up 3 Silver vs. picking up Silver and Gold (I'm guessing that it'll be rare that you'll need to pick up an eighth Copper).

I think it would be easier to get 3 Silvers because of the pinata effect and all those cards like Trader, JOAT, and Squire that can get you Silvers easier.

What if it had an on-buy Mint effect? Not the trashing part, the copy of Treasure part.
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