Topic: Renaming "Herald" (Read 16131 times)

shark_bait · « **on:** July 19, 2012, 02:32:15 pm »

There has been some discussion that the name "Herald" does not fit with standard VP card names. I think this requires some more community feedback and another mini poll. If you have more suggestions, please mention them and I will add them as they come. With more potential names submitted, I've allowed the ability to revote.

Davio · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:16:47 pm »

How about .... Meadow?

The card is a bit like Farmlands, so I think naming it like a piece of land will suit it best. And meadow is such a sweet name, it should be used for a card anyway!

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:18:25 pm »

Hilarious - i voted for placeholder #3 - and apparently someone else had the same idea.

shark_bait · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:23:18 pm »

Updated

Ozle · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:37:50 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk on July 19, 2012, 03:18:25 pm

Hilarious - i voted for placeholder #3 - and apparently someone else had the same idea.

Me!

Ozle · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:38:16 pm »

Quote from: shark_bait on July 19, 2012, 03:23:18 pm

Updated

I think you'll find that first vote was mine!
I have claimed it in the name of the Province of Ozle!

Grujah · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:40:30 pm »

Where is Bamboo Forest?

Kirian · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:49:24 pm »

Quote from: shark_bait on July 19, 2012, 02:32:15 pm

There has been some discussion that the name "Herald" does not fit with standard VP card names. I think this requires some more community feedback and another mini poll. If you have more suggestions, please mention them and I will add them as they come. With more potential names submitted, I've allowed the ability to revote.

I dunno. 5 Victory cards are named after pieces of land, and 3 are after people, with one room and one... well, Tunnel. What's wrong with another person?

popsofctown · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:59:49 pm »

Nobles and Duke are nobility. I can't think of the third person victory card.

Robz888 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:02:26 pm »

Quote from: popsofctown on July 19, 2012, 03:59:49 pm

Nobles and Duke are nobility. I can't think of the third person victory card.

Harem.

Robz888 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:03:55 pm »

I voted for Temple.

The one I don't like is Rock Garden. Not because I don't like the name--I love the name!--but because the Rock Garden card should a modified Garden card. Like, a Victory card that is worth VP per Treasures, or something.

Ozle · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:05:28 pm »

Quote from: Robz888 on July 19, 2012, 04:02:26 pm

Quote from: popsofctown on July 19, 2012, 03:59:49 pm
Nobles and Duke are nobility. I can't think of the third person victory card.

Harem.

Harem is a place though. isnt it?

eHalcyon · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:06:41 pm »

Quote from: Robz888 on July 19, 2012, 04:02:26 pm

Quote from: popsofctown on July 19, 2012, 03:59:49 pm
Nobles and Duke are nobility. I can't think of the third person victory card.

Harem.

A harem can also be defined as a place.

Duke makes sense as a person because it is tied to Duchy.

Nobles -- they're... exceptional, I guess.

eHalcyon · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:07:03 pm »

Quote from: Robz888 on July 19, 2012, 04:03:55 pm

I voted for Temple.

The one I don't like is Rock Garden. Not because I don't like the name--I love the name!--but because the Rock Garden card should a modified Garden card. Like, a Victory card that is worth VP per Treasures, or something.

It was one of my suggestions and I thought the same thing afterwards.

Robz888 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:07:40 pm »

Harem isn't a place. It's a group of people, like Nobles.

Ozle · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:12:20 pm »

Quote from: Robz888 on July 19, 2012, 04:07:40 pm

Harem isn't a place. It's a group of people, like Nobles.

Really, I always thought it was an old muslim word for the 'sacred place'.

Well I have leartn two things today!

eHalcyon · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:20:07 pm »

Harem can mean both!

har·em/ˈhe(ə)rəm/
Noun:
The part of a Muslim household reserved for wives, concubines, and female servants.
The wives (or concubines) of a polygamous man.

rinkworks · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:21:05 pm »

I'm happy with Herald, because it does seem like a sort of person that, if you have some, indicates you have wealth, power, and importance.

On the other hand, I also love most of these eastern place name suggestions that attempt to draw the parallel with Mandarin.

On the other other hand, the card is more like Scheme than Mandarin, so whatever.

eHalcyon · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:23:14 pm »

Quote from: rinkworks on July 19, 2012, 04:21:05 pm

I'm happy with Herald, because it does seem like a sort of person that, if you have some, indicates you have wealth, power, and importance.

On the other hand, I also love most of these eastern place name suggestions that attempt to draw the parallel with Mandarin.

On the other other hand, the card is more like Scheme than Mandarin, so whatever.

I think it's more like Mandarin because:

- on-gain effect
- putting a card back on deck

gman314 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:24:06 pm »

TBH, I like Herald. It kind of brings up the idea of an announced Scheme as it were. And since the card is like Scheme, that makes sense. Also, a Herald could easily be in a Courtyard (another similar card) and Herald kind of brings up the sort of Nobility aspect that the existing non-land Victory cards already have.

gman314 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:26:13 pm »

I'm not sure how well this poll is going to go since 4 members, including myself, have voted for "The Whim of Captain Frisk"

ednever · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:29:43 pm »

The non place name vp cards are all exceptions:

Nobles is an action/vp - not a place because it dies something, but closely affiliated with a place
Harem is kind of a place (as discussed) and also dual
Duke is the leader of your duchies and not worth any vp without the attached place(s)

If herald was an action/victory it could make sense.
If he earned victory points because of other vp cards he could make sense

Otherwise he is a pretty big exception without a clear excuse...

Ed

Dubdubdubdub · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:53:15 pm »

You

Quote from: ednever on July 19, 2012, 04:29:43 pm

The non place name vp cards are all exceptions:

Nobles is an action/vp - not a place because it dies something, but closely affiliated with a place
Harem is kind of a place (as discussed) and also dual
Duke is the leader of your duchies and not worth any vp without the attached place(s)

If herald was an action/victory it could make sense.
If he earned victory points because of other vp cards he could make sense

Otherwise he is a pretty big exception without a clear excuse...

Ed

Hm. Kind of weird that Baron isn't a VP card. What about Earl? I've tried to coin that as a VP card before..

popsofctown · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:05:03 pm »

Maybe Barons are low grade nobility that isn't really much to brag about.

theory · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:26:19 pm »

In English nobility, the order goes: Duke Marquess Viscount Earl Baron (Do Men Ever Visit Boston). So perhaps Earl or Viscount would work (Marquess looks like Margrave).

popsofctown · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:27:12 pm »

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing because I don't know the head from the tail

My guess is descending order.

Kelume · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:57:02 pm »

It recycles things that were just used, there's got to be something thematically related to that!

I like tea house - provides respite and prepares the card for another go. But that doesn't feel like it works in all cases (ie treasure).

Maybe Channel as an alternative? Rinse the card off and use it again, or send it back upstream, and you can use it to navigate (plus they are often manmade).

Alternatively, some form of location you can observe from, like a hilltop manor.

Schneau · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:28:23 pm »

Quote from: theory on July 19, 2012, 05:26:19 pm

In English nobility, the order goes: Duke Marquess Earl Viscount Baron (Do Men Ever Visit Boston). So perhaps Earl or Viscount would work (Marquess looks like Margrave).

FTFY. I thought it was funny that you gave it a mnemonic, and then put them in the wrong order.

Thanar · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:39:16 pm »

Here are a few other name ideas I came up with after searching for types of territory in Medieval times here.

Benefice - A grant of land given to a member of the aristocracy, a Bishop, or a monastery, for limited or hereditary use in exchange for services. (The "exchange for services" seems to fit in thematically with the card's on-gain effect of top-decking a card in play) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefice

Demesne (pronounced di-MAYN) - The part of the lord's manorial lands which was retained for his own use and support, not allocated to his serfs or freeholder tenants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demesne

Manor - A small holding, typically 1200-1800 acres, with its own court and probably its own hall, but not necessarily having a manor house. Generally held by a knight or managed by a bailiff. (This would tie in thematically with the "Great Hall" card) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manor

iangoth · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:40:18 pm »

How about Beach?

-It suggests a parallel with Island, which is a somewhat related card.
-Like a tea house, a beach can be a place of respite.
-Things wash up on the beach. You could find a used action card, or even lost treasure.
-There should be a ton of options for artwork.

One Armed Man · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:40:40 pm »

My vote is for Manor or Jarl/ Earl.

shark_bait · « **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:48:29 pm »

Updated: Remember, you are allowed to change your vote.

Grujah · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:50:23 pm »

Quote from: shark_bait on July 19, 2012, 06:48:29 pm

Updated: Remember, you are allowed to change your vote.

I might be stupid, but how do I actually do that?

shark_bait · « **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:55:18 pm »

Hmmm... I thought I clicked the box that allowed people to change their vote. Time to enact a drastic change. Complete vote reset!

Auto-Destruct Sequence · « **Reply #34 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:00:06 pm »

Benefice is the most appropriate of the suggestions so far.

Kirian · « **Reply #35 on:** July 22, 2012, 03:19:08 pm »

Darn it, "Placeholder" got removed as a choice!

rinkworks · « **Reply #36 on:** July 26, 2012, 01:33:48 pm »

Is this "Tea House" now, or something else, or are we leaving it "Herald"? Ultimately it's up to you, shark_bait, so let me know what you like best.

Captain_Frisk · « **Reply #37 on:** July 26, 2012, 01:46:40 pm »

Quote from: rinkworks on July 26, 2012, 01:33:48 pm

Is this "Tea House" now, or something else, or are we leaving it "Herald"? Ultimately it's up to you, shark_bait, so let me know what you like best.

I demand a recount. I would pay good money for any expansion card with the title "The Whim Of Captain Frisk"

shark_bait · « **Reply #38 on:** July 26, 2012, 01:48:59 pm »

Quote from: rinkworks on July 26, 2012, 01:33:48 pm

Is this "Tea House" now, or something else, or are we leaving it "Herald"? Ultimately it's up to you, shark_bait, so let me know what you like best.

Tea House it is.

eHalcyon · « **Reply #39 on:** July 26, 2012, 02:24:52 pm »

Quote from: shark_bait on July 26, 2012, 01:48:59 pm

Quote from: rinkworks on July 26, 2012, 01:33:48 pm
Is this "Tea House" now, or something else, or are we leaving it "Herald"? Ultimately it's up to you, shark_bait, so let me know what you like best.

Tea House it is.

Huzzah! Even if I don't win any future contests, I can now say that I contributed to the fan expansion.

ehunt · « **Reply #40 on:** September 09, 2014, 10:26:26 am »

This topic has become confusing.

eHalcyon · « **Reply #41 on:** September 09, 2014, 01:05:46 pm »

Quote from: ehunt on September 09, 2014, 10:26:26 am

This topic has become confusing.

How so? Why the necro?

As I recall, there was a fan card named Herald that won a design contest and was subsequently renamed to better match its Victory typing.

Jack Rudd · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2014, 10:37:51 am »

If I recall correctly, Earl is a title essentially equivalent to Count. (The title for the wife of either is Countess.)

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