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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #250 on: July 19, 2012, 01:49:43 pm »

so you throw up 3 fingers of suspicion, but no voting, no active scum hunting etc.   Is this game too vanilla for you?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #251 on: July 19, 2012, 01:53:36 pm »

so you throw up 3 fingers of suspicion, but no voting, no active scum hunting etc.   Is this game too vanilla for you?

I'm guilty of a pops of ctown - this is directed @ galzria.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #252 on: July 19, 2012, 02:09:56 pm »

so you throw up 3 fingers of suspicion, but no voting, no active scum hunting etc.   Is this game too vanilla for you?

Awfully defensive?

I'm not as liberal with my vote these days. Go back and look at my history throughout more recent, or even ongoing games. Some people like to throw it around, but I'm becoming more and more lenient with it, voicing my suspicions first.

As for not scumhunting, I disagree. I narrowed the field based on intuition and previous games. Much like M-III, and as I've indicated before, I like to scrutinize the Vets first before the new players, because I have a notion going in about what to look for in their playstyle.

The fact that most of the four I listed have been flying well under the radar wasn't lost on me either - as that's consistently been where the scum lie in games past.

So I looked at the behavioral patterns of those four. Very brief, but focused on what stood out to me. f.DS has a great tradition of persecuting town for "scummy" behavior, and letting the Mafia get by without a second glance.

I'm interested that you take such abrupt offense to my methods.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #253 on: July 19, 2012, 02:16:29 pm »

Oh - sorry Galz - I totally missed your mega post. 
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #254 on: July 19, 2012, 02:20:35 pm »

Oh - sorry Galz - I totally missed your mega post.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #255 on: July 19, 2012, 02:23:26 pm »

Oh - sorry Galz - I totally missed your mega post.
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Hmm yeah? Could be scum realizing its mistake, could be a legit "I missed a post there" moment. *C_F's mafia % goes up a bit in my head.*
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #256 on: July 19, 2012, 02:34:41 pm »

I truly just missed the post @ 12:15 forum time.  When i refreshed after lunch I saw Manda's note about jury duty in texas, the mod's note on randomized roles, and just kept reading from there.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #257 on: July 19, 2012, 02:58:04 pm »

@PPS: I have no idea how you would go about hunting for role=cop instead of goon. Especially D1 where (to my knowledge), the role-cop has not even had a chance to investigate, so the two are on equal footing. It seems like a shot in the dark. Also, I am going to go ahead and discard the idea of assuming we have a cop and doctor. It'd be nice for that to happen, but let's face it, it's not all that likely, and you only discussed that coupled with a correct D1 lynch. That's a lot of hypotheticals to consider.

@Galzria: I like what you have to say except that I would imagine the cop might want to investigate someone else. We know a decent amount about S_B due to his number of posts, but there are, as you state, plenty of lurkers. If we have a cop, we shouldn't assume S_B will be the target of investigation if he even makes it to tonight. Overall, this is the cleanest argument I've heard for not voting S_B so far.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #258 on: July 19, 2012, 03:01:20 pm »

Yeah, not settling for vanilla mafia is just crazy talk. How about we be the first (?) game of mafia in f.Ds that lynched mafia of any kind on day 1 first..
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #259 on: July 19, 2012, 03:03:48 pm »

Maybe this should go in Puzzles and Challenges, but what's the fastest way for Mafia or Town to win in any of the six current set ups?

My answer: Night 1: Lynch Mafia and have other Mafia night-kill himself/herself. :D
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #260 on: July 19, 2012, 03:41:56 pm »

Vote Count 1-8

Captain_Frisk (1): timchen
shark_bait (3): manda2014, pingpongsam, Young Nick
manda2014 (2): Eevee, Captain_Frisk
pingpongsam (1): Robz888

Not Voting {2}: Galzria, shark_bait

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #261 on: July 19, 2012, 03:48:18 pm »

Maybe this should go in Puzzles and Challenges, but what's the fastest way for Mafia or Town to win in any of the six current set ups?

My answer: Night 1: Lynch Mafia and have other Mafia night-kill himself/herself. :D

Got faster:
Both mafia get modkilled D1.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #262 on: July 19, 2012, 04:05:57 pm »

I was assuming no inactivity or other behavior to warrant mod-killing. :/
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #263 on: July 19, 2012, 09:13:33 pm »

Sharky isn't voting. Sharky is, effectively not counter attacking or defending self. Somehow I find this oddly not Mafia. For a 2 person team and a 60% wagon I'd think there'd be a struggle, some diversion, something.

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I'd like to read the remaining people voting Sharky so I pose this question:

If you were truly VT and had made some grave slips that could be leveraged by scum against you what would you be doing in the face of a growing wagon on you?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #264 on: July 19, 2012, 11:11:17 pm »

If you were truly VT and had made some grave slips that could be leveraged by scum against you what would you be doing in the face of a growing wagon on you?
I thought this is an interesting question! But as a VT, you probably have nothing to slip anyway. So, if you are reasonable, explain what others deem suspicious in a reasonable way. And if the town is determined to lynch you, I guess, not much you can do. Personally I will try to organize my suspicions and make a final speech before lynch.  ;)

Not that speech would be particularly useful to the town though. I would say most of the time the guess from a single VT hostile the whole town is pretty far away from truth. But just in case I luck out I can brag afterwards.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #265 on: July 20, 2012, 12:57:47 am »

If you were truly VT and had made some grave slips that could be leveraged by scum against you what would you be doing in the face of a growing wagon on you?

Hmmm I like this question. And I have to say I agree with timchen: if you're town, you have nothing to feel guilty or defensive about. I'd just explain my actions as best I can and, if I get lynched, I get lynched. As I've said before, sometimes you have to take one for the team. Obviously I'd rather stay in the game, but if I'm lynched and the wagon gives the town more information, then oh well.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #266 on: July 20, 2012, 03:30:37 am »

I agree with the question posed by PPS and the answers to it, but I still can't help but shake the thought that this is just advanced play. It seems like S_B is just letting himself slip out from under our scrutinizing noses (see what I did there, eh?) by not posting and playing like he's not concerned. Yeah,  there's a good chance that he could be VT, but if he is town, it doesn't even seem that the cop would feel the need to investigate him at this point.

I have a similar question for all of you guys. If you were the cop, would you feel a need to investigate S_B tonight if he is still alive? If not, who would you investigate instead?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #267 on: July 20, 2012, 03:41:46 am »

I think the Cop should probably investigate me or Galzria or Frisk. That way he/she knows whether they can trust our veteran reads.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #268 on: July 20, 2012, 07:34:28 am »

I think the Cop should probably investigate me or Galzria or Frisk. That way he/she knows whether they can trust our veteran reads.
In general I'd be wary of people instructing the cop. Especially if they say "veteran players" and forget to include one veteran player (me).

My suggestion for the cop: Give it some thought and do what you feel is the best for town.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #269 on: July 20, 2012, 07:35:00 am »

I think the Cop should probably investigate me or Galzria or Frisk. That way he/she knows whether they can trust our veteran reads.
In general I'd be wary of people instructing the cop. Especially if they say "veteran players" and forget to include one veteran player (me).

My suggestion for the cop: Give it some thought and do what you feel is the best for town.
The cop = any power role we might have.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #270 on: July 20, 2012, 09:26:11 am »

I think the Cop should probably investigate me or Galzria or Frisk. That way he/she knows whether they can trust our veteran reads.

Just to be clear again - i'm hardly a veteran.  I've actually never successfully lynched scum.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #271 on: July 20, 2012, 09:27:50 am »

I think the Cop should probably investigate me or Galzria or Frisk. That way he/she knows whether they can trust our veteran reads.

Just to be clear again - i'm hardly a veteran.  I've actually never successfully lynched scum.

You'll have a hard time succeeding in this game then, won't you?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #272 on: July 20, 2012, 09:39:56 am »

It's so demoralizing to lynch town.  You in M3, RobZ in M5, everyone in M4. 
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« Reply #273 on: July 20, 2012, 09:50:16 am »

It's so demoralizing to lynch town.  You in M3, RobZ in M5, everyone in M4.

I agree. So let's lynch you instead! Alternatively, you could out your scumbuddy, and I promise we'll let you live for a day. ;D
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #274 on: July 20, 2012, 10:13:33 am »

I think we really need RobZ to come over here and tell us who he investigated last night.
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