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Author Topic: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (GAME OVER: MAFIA WINS!)  (Read 137056 times)

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #175 on: July 18, 2012, 08:16:47 am »

Reasons for voting for Frisk:

First - It seems like a little pressure on someone isn't a bad thing per your theory about near lynch's yielding information.

Second - It gives me a solid reason for people to believe that I'm town if the pressure switches to me.

I still don't like how many (namely C_F and Galz) are so willing to write off S_B's play as a newbie move. Maybe he hasn't lurked here, but it would have been simple enough to read up on Mafia (the game, not allegiance) strategies and tactics and thus devised that claiming VT might be his best bet. As C_F said, he is not a doofus.

I respect Galz's point that we should vote Mafia not vote scum, but, well, this early, scum implies Mafia to some extent. I don't know if I agree with him saying that (assuming there is a Cop and S_B is a Mafia false-claiming) it is a bad move by S_B. All S_B has to do is convince the Cop, and then he's off the hook.

If you were mafia - would you be as bold as to come out and say something as obvious as #2? 

Also - according to his profile - he is from holland, so Hij waarschijnlijk beter dan andere talen spreekt hij Engels spreekt.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #176 on: July 18, 2012, 08:27:28 am »

It's Holland.... MI.  Not the Netherlands.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #177 on: July 18, 2012, 08:30:33 am »

That's not nearly as fun.
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« Reply #178 on: July 18, 2012, 08:47:04 am »

If you were mafia - would you be as bold as to come out and say something as obvious as #2? 

I don't know, the mods have not seen it fit to provide me a Mafia role to date. The implication is that you would not which has a possible subtext that you, yourself, are Mafia.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #179 on: July 18, 2012, 08:59:21 am »

Where is RobZ?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #181 on: July 18, 2012, 12:22:09 pm »

Where is RobZ?

Right here.

Well - hey then.  Would you be interested in talking about the game?
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« Reply #182 on: July 18, 2012, 01:17:28 pm »

Where is RobZ?

Right here.

Well - hey then.  Would you be interested in talking about the game?

Sure.

Sharky's role claim was a newb mistake, not a plot by a super intelligent mafia. That doesn't mean his claim is true--he might be a mafia person who just thinks that what you do when somebody accuses you is full claim VT. It's not a sophisticated mafia plot though. I lean toward he is what he says he is.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #183 on: July 18, 2012, 01:22:16 pm »

Announcement - I'll be travelling starting Thursday night through Sunday.  I'll of course be lurking via phone, and I'm still working on Friday - so I"m not totally afk.  I will be going to a beer tasting Saturday night - so I'm hoping to have my votes in and uninfluenced by tasty microbrews well in advance.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #184 on: July 18, 2012, 01:22:34 pm »

Oh - voting isn't due until 7/28.  Never mind then.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #185 on: July 18, 2012, 01:25:46 pm »

Announcement - I'll be travelling starting Thursday night through Sunday.  I'll of course be lurking via phone, and I'm still working on Friday - so I"m not totally afk.  I will be going to a beer tasting Saturday night - so I'm hoping to have my votes in and uninfluenced by tasty microbrews well in advance.

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #187 on: July 18, 2012, 01:56:53 pm »

I asked for explanations as to why people viewed Sharky as innocent and I got 3 decent responses from Galzria, Robz and Frisky.

Young Nick maintains that Sharky is a dirty bastard despite everyone else's unwillingness to take such a strong stance. I respect this and the question was thusly never directed to Y_N.

Frisky says a noob defense isn't good enough but maintains that timchen is scummier so there lies his vote.

manda is suspicious but apparently won't vote until a wagon is underway which I'm finding slightly scummy.

eevee remains suspicious but also wants to retain his vote but something about how he worded it I find less scummy than manda's motives.

PPS voted on obviously scummy behavior but was willing to rescind his vote because he sees the wisdom in Galzria's analysis and also Robz read on the situation. PPS loves to put votes to see some pressure applied and wishes others would do the same.

Sharky hasn't put up any suspicion on anyone but has sure as hell rolled in the mud of his own accord. if I were a town shark_bait I'd be staying low and if I were a mafia shark_bait I'd either lay low or try to push the heat in a different direction. neutral read.

Robz has said he is suspicious of Young Nick for basically doing the same as manda and eevee in being suspicious but withholding vote. Y_N responded by casting a vote which he maintains on what I perceive to be solid grounds and which seems to be supported by manda and eevee although not without votes which should, in Robz argument make those two people suspicious.

I've got nothing but Town read from Galzria the whole game.

timchen seems willing to start a fray but no one really wants to play this game it seems. no read on timchen at this time.




Sooo.... out of all that I gather that manda deserves the closest scrutiny. She seems to have a very strong technical grasp on the game which is great for town if she's town. Unfortunately most of her paly has been neutral in terms of applying pressure or providing any real feedback. With such technical grasp but such low key play I'm beginning to wonder what manda's real alignment is.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #188 on: July 18, 2012, 01:59:03 pm »

PPS, do you consider yourself a "crazy" player?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #189 on: July 18, 2012, 02:02:53 pm »

I can concur that manda was stalking Mafia IV quite a bit... I kept seeing her and wondering if she was someone else's alt account spying on the game without giving away their online presence.
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« Reply #190 on: July 18, 2012, 02:10:01 pm »

PPS, do you consider yourself a "crazy" player?

In M-VI I am a nutcase. The cast is too large, it moves too fast and most everyone's acumen is too high relative to my complete lack of experience.

Here, the cast is much smaller, most folk's acumen is at or below my own and things are certainly moving slowly enough for me to keep up.

So, for this particular game of Mafia I would classify myself as mostly sane. It is quite understandable that my behavior in M-VI would lead you to believe otherwise.

All that said, I am apparently a bit more willing to place votes just to elicit reaction which makes me more of a cowboy than most in here to date.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #191 on: July 18, 2012, 02:54:21 pm »

So PPS - are you suggesting that we start voting for Manda - or is there something you'd like to hear from her?

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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #192 on: July 18, 2012, 03:13:35 pm »

I want to hear from her.

Hell, I want to hear from anyone, really. Let's hear others' thoughts on manda or anything else I've said.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #193 on: July 18, 2012, 03:42:27 pm »

Sorry I'm just now getting around to posting. Crazy busy last night and I just got off work. I feel bad that I haven't been posting on here maybe as often as I should. But RL stuff has been a bit crazy the last couple of days. Aaaaanyway... as to not having voted or posted much analysis yet, in all honesty I haven't had a chance to sit down and really do much in depth analysis. Right now my suspicions, as I said before, still rest on Sharky, but I'll post a better analysis and perhaps a vote later tonight after I have a chance to really sit down and look at things. I don't really like to throw out votes at random. As to "stalking" Mafia IV, I promise I'm not anyone's alt account. I know DSell IRL, and he's the one who told me about f.ds and about Mafia and I decided I'd follow his games; nothing sneaky about that.
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #194 on: July 18, 2012, 03:45:02 pm »

I know DSell IRL

Then you are scum by association?
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #195 on: July 18, 2012, 03:45:52 pm »

That would make loads of sense, if it had any bearing on the PMs Volt sent out XD
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Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #196 on: July 18, 2012, 03:51:52 pm »

Vote Count 1-4

timchen (1): Captain_Frisk
Captain_Frisk (2): timchen, shark_bait
shark_bait (2): pingpongsam, Young Nick

Not Voting {4}: Robz888, Eevee, Galzria, manda2014

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, July 28, at 7:30 p.m. forum time

Just tossing out ideas, do we think both scum are voting right now? They probably aren't voting for the same person, if they are both voting.

Maybe 1 scum among the nonvoters? From my perspective, that's Galzria, manda, and Eevee. But even if you throw me in, that's 1 scum out of 4. Much better odds than 2 out of 9.
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« Reply #197 on: July 18, 2012, 03:55:32 pm »

Vote Count 1-4

timchen (1): Captain_Frisk
Captain_Frisk (2): timchen, shark_bait
shark_bait (2): pingpongsam, Young Nick

Not Voting {4}: Robz888, Eevee, Galzria, manda2014

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, July 28, at 7:30 p.m. forum time

Just tossing out ideas, do we think both scum are voting right now? They probably aren't voting for the same person, if they are both voting.

Maybe 1 scum among the nonvoters? From my perspective, that's Galzria, manda, and Eevee. But even if you throw me in, that's 1 scum out of 4. Much better odds than 2 out of 9.

Are you worse at math than Galz?

1/4 = 25%
2/9 = 22.22% 

A modest improvement, but not "much better" odds.
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« Reply #198 on: July 18, 2012, 03:56:46 pm »

Are you worse at math than Galz?

Yes

1/4 = 25%
2/9 = 22.22% 

A modest improvement, but not "much better" odds.

I was being vaguely sarcastic.
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« Reply #199 on: July 18, 2012, 03:59:08 pm »

RobZ - what do you think about Galz not voting yet?  He isn't one to avoid RVS like you are.
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