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[Wingnut]

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201207/05/game-20120705-200505-7fece92d.html

On this board I open Potion with the idea of using Philosopher's Stones as a counter to Ambassador especially with no big draw other than Envoy available meaning the Bridge megaturn was unlikely at best (how wrong I was). Then my opponent opened Envoy. Envoy-BM would be absolute death to my original thought of PS countering Amb so I picked up an Ambassador. Then my opponent bought Amb to go with his Envoy setting up a clash of two bizarre openings - Potion/Ambassador with on PS for Potions against Envoy/Amb.

From there the game takes some interesting twists and I end up with a big lead after having had a bunch of copper passed to my deck to power my stones and then pairing that with Adventurer (my only non-points buy costing more than 4 in the game) to build an insurmountable lead. Then my opponent used Envoy-WV-Bridge for his megaturn and bought all the remaining points, still leaving him 7 points sure.

2 questions from this game.

1. Given the openings, what would you do from there (from either side)?
2. What would you open because I know most players sure as heck won't open Potion/Amb or Envoy/Amb there (or maybe ever)?

[shark_bait]

Given the fact that there is no power $5 and a mega-turn game winning engine, I'm opening double Ambassador and winning that opening game of tennis and then the game.

[DStu]

Given the fact that there is no power $5 and a mega-turn game winning engine, I'm opening double Ambassador and winning that opening game of tennis and then the game.

Why do you want to win the tennis if you don't want to build an engine?

[eHalcyon]

Given the fact that there is no power $5 and a mega-turn game winning engine, I'm opening double Ambassador and winning that opening game of tennis and then the game.

Why do you want to win the tennis if you don't want to build an engine?

I think he's saying that there IS an engine.  Bridge spam?

[ftl]

Engine components:
Mining Village, Workers village for +actions
Ambassador for trashing
Ambassador as a cursing attack
Envoy for  card draw
Bridge and Workers Village for +buy
Multi-bridge turns as a way to catch back up

Yeah, it has everything you need for an engine.

[qmech]

Once your deck is entirely Bridges and Villages, Envoy gets close to being a pure +4 cards.

[shark_bait]

Given the fact that there is no power $5 and a mega-turn game winning engine, I'm opening double Ambassador and winning that opening game of tennis and then the game.

Why do you want to win the tennis if you don't want to build an engine?

I think he's saying that there IS an engine.  Bridge spam?

Ehalcyon is right.  I'm saying that a trimmed deck with villages and bridges with envoy for draw can clear the provinces on the last turn.

[DStu]

Given the fact that there is no power $5 and a mega-turn game winning engine, I'm opening double Ambassador and winning that opening game of tennis and then the game.

Why do you want to win the tennis if you don't want to build an engine?

I think he's saying that there IS an engine.  Bridge spam?

Ehalcyon is right.  I'm saying that a trimmed deck with villages and bridges with envoy for draw can clear the provinces on the last turn.

Thanks. I shouldn't post before I have waken up...

[GigaKnight]

with no big draw other than Envoy

Envoy has always seems like really big draw to me.  So I'm a bit perplexed that I seem to regularly run into people saying "eh, it's only Envoy".  I mean, I guess I don't have a ton of experience with it but, as long as the card quality variance is your deck is nice and low, it's effectively Smithy+1, right?

[ehunt]

with no big draw other than Envoy

Envoy has always seems like really big draw to me.  So I'm a bit perplexed that I seem to regularly run into people saying "eh, it's only Envoy".  I mean, I guess I don't have a ton of experience with it but, as long as the card quality variance is your deck is nice and low, it's effectively Smithy+1, right?

envoy is great with lots of cheap engine parts like hamlets and crossroads, less good (but still good, but maybe not as good as smithy given that you are building an engine) with key attacks or expensive cards, e.g. envoy probably wont help you forge your pain away.