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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 08:19:40 am »
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I sometimes just scroll through the cards list, not looking for anything particular, just to find a card that has an article linked and I feel like learning more about it. Wiki is good when you know what exactly you're looking for.

well you can similarly browse through the list of cards in the navboxes. if this list in its current form is such a necessity someone could of course simply copy and paste this list to a wiki page for easy maintenance. as morgrim pointed out, this is precisely why we have the wiki in the first place. over time, it is unrealistic to expect periodic updates from a single user.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2013, 12:03:25 pm »
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This is so I quickly know which cards DON'T have an article.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2013, 08:47:05 pm »
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pages have been created on the wiki to replace the lists here. anyone can edit and update the wiki, so it is probably the best location for a regularly updated list such as this. i copied and pasted from the posts on the forum, so the wiki is only current through those posts right now.

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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2013, 11:15:05 pm »
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pages have been created on the wiki to replace the lists here. anyone can edit and update the wiki, so it is probably the best location for a regularly updated list such as this. i copied and pasted from the posts on the forum, so the wiki is only current through those posts right now.

Card Article List
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2013, 10:30:05 pm »
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2013, 07:41:47 am »
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I'd love to see this outdated sticky replaced with a link to a comparable page on the wiki. It's not reasonable to expect a single author to maintain this, much less one who was last online three months ago.

The wiki already has many of these article links, but only through the individual card pages. I'd value a page that helps me answer:
  • "Where are the articles on <Card X> and how good are they?"
  • "Which of my favorite authors have written card articles that I haven't yet read?"
For those questions, a format like this would be better:

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I prefer alphabetical because even now I can't remember which cards are from which sets. I want the post date because new sets and new strategies tend to cause the value of strategy articles to fall over time. Most importantly, I want to know how good the article is. That's even more important for new members who don't know the authors and who can't sniff out bad advice.

We don't exactly have a peer reviewed journal here, but the respect system is actually pretty informative for strategy articles. Respect votes change, but keeping them up to date is an easy task to script. I do need those asterisks though. Otherwise I'll be misled by seeing a mere +3 on a top-notch article that had the misfortune to predate the respect system. It's also nice to see whether I'm heading to the forum or to the WordPress site, since the forum responses are usually more extensive and have respect votes themselves.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2013, 10:00:12 am »
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i wouldn't mind pitching in with a little of the legwork. the question is how to do it and where to do it. both of your formats seem fine, but that will get messy with all of the different cards.

personally, it seems like the best bet would be a fully sortable table that is open for public edit. include columns for card name, card expansion, dates written/published, writers/contributors, article location, the link, and some metric of quality. maybe embed a google spreadsheet in a post and give a handful of regular posters access? or if you can do sortable tables on wiki have someone set it up and just link straight to it.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2013, 04:36:38 pm »
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ok i decided to run with my idea and i've got a stub set up on the wiki now:

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/List_of_Card_Articles

that was the information i felt was worth having in the sortable list. i'll start filling it further when i get the chance. the table might get a little long once all the articles are listed, but being able to sort should alleviate that somewhat.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2013, 05:01:05 pm »
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ok i decided to run with my idea and i've got a stub set up on the wiki now:

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/List_of_Card_Articles

that was the information i felt was worth having in the sortable list. i'll start filling it further when i get the chance. the table might get a little long once all the articles are listed, but being able to sort should alleviate that somewhat.

Very nice! Is it possible to add page-updating scripts to the wiki? If not, I'll see if I can write a script that logs into the wiki and updates the respect votes in the same way a human user would.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2013, 05:54:37 pm »
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This is really great and I really appreciate all the work you are doing here.  However, do we need both the forum and blog postings listed?  Could there instead be an additional column that lists whether or not that forum article has been posted on the blog since most blogposts (if not all - I haven't gone and read all the articles on the blog and forum to double check) are duplicates of forum posts.  A column for "posted on blog" with a hyperlinked "yes" might clean up the page a bit, especially when large amounts of articles are up.

edit: to avoid any possible ambiguity, I was referring to this: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/List_of_Card_Articles
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2013, 07:20:36 pm »
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This is really great and I really appreciate all the work you are doing here.  However, do we need both the forum and blog postings listed?  Could there instead be an additional column that lists whether or not that forum article has been posted on the blog since most blogposts (if not all - I haven't gone and read all the articles on the blog and forum to double check) are duplicates of forum posts.  A column for "posted on blog" with a hyperlinked "yes" might clean up the page a bit, especially when large amounts of articles are up.

edit: to avoid any possible ambiguity, I was referring to this: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/List_of_Card_Articles

yeah i waffled for a little bit on that. i ended up including it for a few reasons
- the articles are often edited/improved when featured on the blog
- the blog will often have its own comment and discussion section
- not all articles were put on the blog immediately, allowing time for other discussion or possibly other expansions
- last and not least, it seemed the thorough way to do it. if you are going to have a detailed list you might as well do it well.

of course, that is just my reasoning. no one should feel they have to adhere to that. any help filling in the blanks is welcome.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2013, 08:08:41 pm »
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This is really great and I really appreciate all the work you are doing here.  However, do we need both the forum and blog postings listed?  Could there instead be an additional column that lists whether or not that forum article has been posted on the blog since most blogposts (if not all - I haven't gone and read all the articles on the blog and forum to double check) are duplicates of forum posts.  A column for "posted on blog" with a hyperlinked "yes" might clean up the page a bit, especially when large amounts of articles are up.

edit: to avoid any possible ambiguity, I was referring to this: http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/List_of_Card_Articles

yeah i waffled for a little bit on that. i ended up including it for a few reasons
- the articles are often edited/improved when featured on the blog
- the blog will often have its own comment and discussion section
- not all articles were put on the blog immediately, allowing time for other discussion or possibly other expansions
- last and not least, it seemed the thorough way to do it. if you are going to have a detailed list you might as well do it well.

of course, that is just my reasoning. no one should feel they have to adhere to that. any help filling in the blanks is welcome.

I think you misunderstood e. I think he was saying that you could have two columns: one for Forum links, one for Blog links. If the same article is posted both places, you link to both, but they're in the same row. (Or, at least this is how I'd do it if it isn't what e meant).

Another recommendation: The Qvist ranking isn't all that helpful when comparing cards with different costs, since, for example, the 15th best $5 cards is very good, where the 15th best $2 card is not. Maybe it would be more helpful if it said something like "Cellar.....13/20", indicating that there are 20 $2 cards.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2013, 08:15:31 pm »
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I think you misunderstood e. I think he was saying that you could have two columns: one for Forum links, one for Blog links. If the same article is posted both places, you link to both, but they're in the same row. (Or, at least this is how I'd do it if it isn't what e meant).

yeah i totally misunderstood that, my bad. this seems like a reasonable idea, i'll go with it.

edit: the downside to this is that if you want to keep the date (or author!) with the article you need to add another column. i'm going to get around that for now by listing dates under the blog or forum headings.

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Another recommendation: The Qvist ranking isn't all that helpful when comparing cards with different costs, since, for example, the 15th best $5 cards is very good, where the 15th best $2 card is not. Maybe it would be more helpful if it said something like "Cellar.....13/20", indicating that there are 20 $2 cards.

good call. context is always useful.

edit: this seems to screw up the ability to sort by card ranking though. not sure if that's a huge deal, but i'll try to make a workaround.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2013, 09:29:51 am »
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Note that sorting is pretty bad for the format of date you use. May be worth changing to YEAR/MO/DA format.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2013, 09:46:04 pm »
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When was the respect system implemented exactly? It would be good to note that date or to individually identify the "+0" articles that predate the system.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2013, 05:59:02 pm »
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Note that sorting is pretty bad for the format of date you use. May be worth changing to YEAR/MO/DA format.

good catch, thanks. that's just a lazy mistake on my part. fixed.

When was the respect system implemented exactly? It would be good to note that date or to individually identify the "+0" articles that predate the system.

November 1, 2011

though it may not have the full details filled in, every card article referenced in this thread's OP now has a placeholder slot on the wiki page. i've also gone back and should have covered Dark Ages articles and other articles created since this thread went dormant. now that i have the bulk of the content in place i'll be in no rush to finish up, so a little help filling it out will be welcomed.

theory, would you mind updating this thread's OP to redirect towards the new wiki page?
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2013, 09:06:26 pm »
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though it may not have the full details filled in, every card article referenced in this thread's OP now has a placeholder slot on the wiki page. i've also gone back and should have covered Dark Ages articles and other articles created since this thread went dormant. now that i have the bulk of the content in place i'll be in no rush to finish up, so a little help filling it out will be welcomed.

I'm not sure if this will be helpful or not, but I parsed the data out of Qvist's table, Morgrim's post, and the author/date/respect data from the forum posts and put it into a big table. I just added the table at after the main one, since I haven't checked the output manually and since there are duplicates that will need to be removed.
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2013, 10:12:48 pm »
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awesome, the page is just about done now. i should have guessed their was an easier way to generate that sort of list but i'm not much for programming. i just did incremental changes like a cave man.

your list made it super easy to fill out the rest, and if it wasn't for a few quirks (broken/bad links, uncredited posts, Dark Ages onward, etc.) it would have been sufficient on its own.
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2013, 12:37:06 am »
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awesome, the page is just about done now. i should have guessed their was an easier way to generate that sort of list but i'm not much for programming. i just did incremental changes like a cave man.

your list made it super easy to fill out the rest, and if it wasn't for a few quirks (broken/bad links, uncredited posts, Dark Ages onward, etc.) it would have been sufficient on its own.

Awesome. It looks great!

I've added everything else I could find in this subforum. I spot-checked the links, but there may still be a few errors in there.
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Re: Card Article List
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2013, 12:44:03 am »
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I feel like this should have a navbox.  Maybe the strategy one?
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« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2015, 11:54:48 am »
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Soooo... this list hasn't been updated in over two years, and doesn't even include the last few expansions. There doesn't appear to be a board moderator that can do this, should we try and find one? Any volunteers?

For the record, I'm willing to help update the list to be current, but I don't know if I'd want to do the upkeep for this.
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« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2015, 12:02:36 pm »
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Why not just delete the thread and have a sticky that goes to the wiki page? Assuming it's up to date. 
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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2015, 01:41:15 pm »
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My current idea is to trawl through this and add good articles that haven't already been added to the wiki.  I think it would probably be best to just make one new thread on here, rather than necro-ing everything.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2015, 11:53:44 pm »
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Should we do something about the fact that the OP has disappeared on us?
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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2015, 12:18:56 am »
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Should we do something about the fact that the OP has disappeared on us?

You can make a new thread and maintain it
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