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Tournament-shy
« on: July 17, 2011, 01:16:08 pm »
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Your opponent plays a Tournament and a reveals a Province. You have a Province in hand, but you choose not to reveal it. (This is either a 2-player game, or all other opponents are also not revealing Provinces.)

Why would you make this choice?
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 01:18:49 pm »
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It's the only card in your hand and you believe he has masquerade and another action card he would probably play, but only one action left because he played menagerie or something
you know he has already enough to buy the best card, but only one buy

 
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 01:30:59 pm »
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You know he has a hand full of actions and the only prizes left are followers/princess, so if you reveal the province he can draw his prize on the next turn when he might not have as many colliding terminals.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2011, 01:47:52 pm »
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It's the only card in your hand and you believe he has masquerade and another action card he would probably play, but only one action left because he played menagerie or something
you know he has already enough to buy the best card, but only one buy

You know he has a hand full of actions and the only prizes left are followers/princess, so if you reveal the province he can draw his prize on the next turn when he might not have as many colliding terminals.

Both are conceivable solutions, but not the one I have in mind. Masquerade and Torturer are not involved, and forcing colliding terminals is not your reason.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 01:50:34 pm »
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the only prizes left are followers and princess; you have a good hand and you dont want him to switch it up with a minion.

Knowing that you might win a tournament will cause him to take the prize that most benefits your deck to stop you from getting it.

It will force an earlier reshuffle, the only prize left is duchy, and you know his deck has become terrible.

It's multiplayer, he cant win, but you will if he ends the game or buys the last duchy.

You are currently possessing him.

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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 01:53:02 pm »
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You have a watchtower so that followers helps you and hurts him, or a library or moat to a lesser extent.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 01:55:03 pm »
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You have two dead cards in hand (Province plus another victory card, or clashing terminals, or whatever) and therefore would rather get hit with Followers on this turn than on your next turn.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 02:04:57 pm »
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My solution has been found!

You are currently possessing him.

I must say, I really like reading all the other creative solutions that I hadn't thought of.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 09:25:09 pm »
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You want him to play Followers so you can trigger your menagerie, or village + watchtower.  Either allows you to ditch bad cards in hand for new ones.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 11:11:43 pm »
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There are no prizes or Duchies left, so there is nothing for him to gain and he will instead draw the top card in the deck.  Someone played Sea Hag on the last turn, so you know his top card is a Curse.  You have a Mountebank in hand and want that Curse out of his next hand so that the Mountebank has a chance of giving him another Curse.

The prize left is Bag of Gold, and you have a Smugglers.  You want him to draw the Bag of Gold this turn and play it to gain a Gold on top of his deck, as you will then Smuggle it.

He has five cards left in his deck after taking the Duchy (or there are no Duchies or Prizes and he has five cards), and you want to force him to reshuffle; for example, you may know that one of those last four cards is a Counting House.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 02:50:09 am »
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He has 0 cards in draw pile and rubbish in discad pile, so you force him to rehuffle and put bad card on draw pile.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 07:39:45 am »
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If the Tournament player is revealing a Province, he will not be reshuffling unless he chooses to gain a Duchy when none are available, or he chooses to gain a prize with none left.

For some reason, you know his whole hand and he knows that you have an Ambassador in hand, but doesn't know anything else of importance in your hand. He has $0 in treasure, two conflicting terminal actions in hand, but no +2 Actions card and so can't play both (Trusty Steed is gone, and either he can't refuse to gain anything or the top card on his deck doesn't help him). One of the terminals gets him to $8 and a Province buy (say Counting House); the other is Possession. You really don't want him to know that you have a Province in hand, so that he may be tempted to play his Counting House and not his Possession...
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 08:02:50 am »
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It's a four player game and you can assume the current player cannot win. However by letting that player take a duchy you are speeding the three pile depletion or denying another player from scoring a large duke/duchy combination (or less likely a fairground combination, or perhaps they have bridge/ironworks, etc).


You have a trade route in hand and can buy vital cards if the trade route has +1 more value.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2011, 08:45:29 am »
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This assumes a situation where the Tournament player will choose differently depending on whether you reveal a Province? Cos if he's taking a Duchy anyway, it doesn't affect e.g. your Trade Route. The challenge here will be to demonstrate a situation where the Tournament player's choice is affected by whether you reveal...

Another solution: you know your opponent's hand is King's Court, Tournament, Tournament, Province, Pawn. He plays Tournament first, discarding Province (assume all 4 Action prizes are gone). If you deny him now, he will surely KC his Pawn. Since you are a tricksy one, you withhold your Province for the time being, hoping that he will KC his Tournament...
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 11:39:01 am »
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This assumes a situation where the Tournament player will choose differently depending on whether you reveal a Province? Cos if he's taking a Duchy anyway, it doesn't affect e.g. your Trade Route.

Indeed you are correct.
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Re: Tournament-shy
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 01:31:03 pm »
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You are P1 and leading by 1 point. There are 2 provinces left, but no duchies or prizes, and there are no victory cards in the supply. You know your opponent has no +buy in his deck, and has enough in hand to buy a province. You don't have enough to buy a province. You know your opponent reads dominionstrategy.com and so knows about PPR, and you have a late stage Big Money deck (or something else with high hand-to-hand variability). Your opponent's deck can generate $8 consistently.

If you reveal a province, that increases the chance that your opponent thinks you can't buy a province this turn, in which case he will buy a province, and you will very likely lose (you'll have to buy an estate, which will leave you down 4 points, and your opponent's deck is more likely to buy the last province). If you don't reveal the province, your opponent may follow PPR and buy an estate, figuring that if he buys the province, you may win the game, but if he buys an estate, he can play for a draw.

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