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Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« on: June 19, 2012, 05:16:37 am »
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Based on this thread: I wonder if there is a terminal so bad it doesn't benefit from FV.

It's a vague challenge, but can you find a terminal which you have to buy more than one of that doesn't benefit from FV?
For instance FV-Monument benefits from FV I believe because you want to play a lot of Monuments.

Do 2 or 3 Chancellors still benefit from FV?
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 06:31:08 am »
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Embassy, although you don't need to buy more than one.
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 08:41:53 am »
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Said this on the other thread, but I think Bridge without +cards is weaker than BM even with Fishing Village in the mix. Also Conspirator would qualify, I think.

However neither of these cards are better as multiples WITHOUT fishing village. They just lose to big money. There's plenty of terminals you only want one of that don't benefit from fishing village over silver, as I mentioned in the other thread.

As to cards that where (2 or more Terminals + BM) > (2 or more Terminals + Fishing Village + BM) its harder to say. I'd intuit Mountebank, as the extra copper and curses reduce collisions. I can't think of any others.
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 07:53:06 pm »
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I don't think they're bad cards, but I'd guess that one-shot terminals like Embargo and Island wouldn't really benefit much from Fishing Villages. On the other hand, these are usually supporting cards in a bigger strategy anyways, so they could be combined with other terminals, which would mean they would benefit from Fishing Village, but on their own I don't think they'd benefit.
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 10:37:24 pm »
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There are plenty of bad terminals that wouldn't benefit from FV. Chancellor, for instance. What is the point of playing more than one per turn? Counting House and Fortune Teller are some more.
I don't think they're bad cards, but I'd guess that one-shot terminals like Embargo and Island wouldn't really benefit much from Fishing Villages.
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 10:45:31 pm »
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Said this on the other thread, but I think Bridge without +cards is weaker than BM even with Fishing Village in the mix. Also Conspirator would qualify, I think.
However neither of these cards are better as multiples WITHOUT fishing village. They just lose to big money. There's plenty of terminals you only want one of that don't benefit from fishing village over silver, as I mentioned in the other thread.

As to cards that where (2 or more Terminals + BM) > (2 or more Terminals + Fishing Village + BM) its harder to say. I'd intuit Mountebank, as the extra copper and curses reduce collisions. I can't think of any others.
Maybe I don't understand, are you saying BM w/o bridge is better than with? Because that's obviously wrong as the first bridge is better than silver for sure.  Are you saying BM bridge is better than FV/bridge? I doubt that.

The embassy question is an interesting one...

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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 05:54:30 am »
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Said this on the other thread, but I think Bridge without +cards is weaker than BM even with Fishing Village in the mix. Also Conspirator would qualify, I think.
However neither of these cards are better as multiples WITHOUT fishing village. They just lose to big money. There's plenty of terminals you only want one of that don't benefit from fishing village over silver, as I mentioned in the other thread.

As to cards that where (2 or more Terminals + BM) > (2 or more Terminals + Fishing Village + BM) its harder to say. I'd intuit Mountebank, as the extra copper and curses reduce collisions. I can't think of any others.
Maybe I don't understand, are you saying BM w/o bridge is better than with? Because that's obviously wrong as the first bridge is better than silver for sure.  Are you saying BM bridge is better than FV/bridge? I doubt that.

The embassy question is an interesting one...

Oh no not at all.

I'm saying (Multiple Bridges + Fishing Villages + BM + no card draw) is < (1 Bridge + BM + no card draw).

Is this wrong?
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Re: Simulation Challenge: Fishing Village + Bad Terminal
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 07:56:17 am »
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Said this on the other thread, but I think Bridge without +cards is weaker than BM even with Fishing Village in the mix. Also Conspirator would qualify, I think.
However neither of these cards are better as multiples WITHOUT fishing village. They just lose to big money. There's plenty of terminals you only want one of that don't benefit from fishing village over silver, as I mentioned in the other thread.

As to cards that where (2 or more Terminals + BM) > (2 or more Terminals + Fishing Village + BM) its harder to say. I'd intuit Mountebank, as the extra copper and curses reduce collisions. I can't think of any others.
Maybe I don't understand, are you saying BM w/o bridge is better than with? Because that's obviously wrong as the first bridge is better than silver for sure.  Are you saying BM bridge is better than FV/bridge? I doubt that.

The embassy question is an interesting one...

Oh no not at all.

I'm saying (Multiple Bridges + Fishing Villages + BM + no card draw) is < (1 Bridge + BM + no card draw).

Is this wrong?

This is a reasonable hypothesis. I think it's wrong, but I haven't specifically tested.

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