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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2012, 04:00:07 pm »
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So um, go watch AD. If you like community and parks and recs, you can't not like AD. And Seinfeld I would say is a must watch, but it's a bit trickier. It basically revolutionized sitcoms when it was on the air, and it's aged pretty well, but a lot of what made it so brilliant is somewhat commonplace now that much of the show might seem somewhat generic if you didn't grow up with it.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 04:29:06 pm »
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I find Curb your Enthusiasm hilarious. When I found out Larry David wrote Seinfeld I tried to watch it, but found it really boring and just not funny (and I watched an entire season to make sure it wasn't just a few bad episodes)
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 06:03:48 pm »
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TBBT WAS brilliant and started off very geeky, but it gradually got diluted as it became more popular.

It used to be a show about geeks  that was full of geeky jokes. Now by the end of season 4 they are all sucessfull, have girlfriends and its more about them failing at relationships and socially awkward moments. So its basically Friends. Gah.

This is what I call Buffy Syndrome.

Any show  that would appeal to me that starts off really good, and then as it gets more popular and bigger audiences the creators run out of normal ideas and try to make thier characters 'deeper' and the easiest/best way to add another dimension to a character is with a relationship. This then gradually takes over as the focus of the show and every thing revolves around it.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2012, 11:32:38 pm »
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So um, go watch AD. If you like community and parks and recs, you can't not like AD.

This this a thousand times this.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2012, 03:37:54 am »
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I used to love TBBT because of all the inherent geekiness.
And even in the beginning of the show, there was something for everybody.

I would laugh at all the geek and pop culture references, while my wife would laugh at the guys not understanding anything the woman was saying.

Nowadays, it's more about the relationships and less about the geek. Any geekiness they put in seems kind of forced.


Another show I loved for this reason was Chuck. Chuck and his buddy Morgan would have those funny Halo Nights or something, but the series suffered the same fate as TBBT. It became more about the relation between Chuck and Sarah and less about Chuck's nerdiness.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2012, 04:48:37 am »
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I can't believe TBBT is done by the same people that do Two And A Half Men!
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2012, 08:15:24 am »
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I can't believe TBBT is done by the same people that do Two And A Half Men!

i can.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2012, 02:56:24 pm »
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So um, go watch AD. If you like community and parks and recs, you can't not like AD.

This this a thousand times this.

But...I disagree. I have seen some (only a few episodes) of Community and all of P&R. These are cool.

I guess I don't understand why everyone loves AD so much. The humor just isn't all that great. Strange is best way I can describe it, if I were limited to one word. I find that people often say it's more "clever' or "sophisticated" than other shows that I prefer, but they always come off as condescending when doing so. Early Office is where it is at, in my opinion.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2012, 03:25:02 pm »
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AD is very different from other sitcoms -- it's more of a comedic experience spread across several seasons.  AD does not shine through individual episodes, but rather the series as a whole. 

That being said, I think AD falls into the so-underrated-it's-overrated category, somewhat similar to the Shawshank Redemption.  It's great, I love it, but people can be a little overboard about it.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2012, 03:33:44 pm »
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The mistakes of the Setters of Catan game are really bad. But who cares?

It depends on the standards of the people putting on the show. It depends on how much research you're willing to put in for the sake of verisimilitude.

I did a show of Escanaba in da Moonlight (if you haven't heard of it, I wouldn't be surprised). The plot heads toward a game of euchre. The four of us sit around a table and play a couple of hands. Every night before the show, I would stack the deck. Part of the plot is that my hand magically turns into a hand with 2s, 3s, and 4s (which is impossible in euchre). I also stacked it so that people who took tricks actually won the tricks (if you don't know euchre, imagine watching a game of Spades where someone plays the ace of spades and loses the trick). And that wasn't that easy, because even dealing a hand of euchre is a strange ritual where you deal 2 cards to every other person and 3 cards to the remainder, only to reverse the numbers.

My point? Actually, not much of one. It possible that nobody noticed. I was facing the audience, so people likely wouldn't see my cards anyway (except for when I threw the cards on the table). Still, I put forth the effort. The director put forth the effort to make sure we did it correctly. Maybe one person noticed, and he would have been impressed by how real it was.

Is it terrible if a show shows a game incorrectly? No. But it is far more impressive when it's clear they've done their homework.

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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2012, 03:38:22 pm »
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I also stacked it so that people who took tricks actually won the tricks (if you don't know euchre, imagine watching a game of Spades where someone plays the ace of spades and loses the trick).

Wait what?  I don't know Euchre but I know Spades.  So let's say you were playing Spades in the show.  Are you saying that you stacked the deck so that situations like "Ace of Spades loses" wouldn't occur, and that each hand was actually legitimate?  If so, that is awesome.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2012, 04:11:14 pm »
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I did a show of Escanaba in da Moonlight (if you haven't heard of it, I wouldn't be surprised). The plot heads toward a game of euchre. The four of us sit around a table and play a couple of hands. Every night before the show, I would stack the deck. Part of the plot is that my hand magically turns into a hand with 2s, 3s, and 4s (which is impossible in euchre).

There's no threes within 100 miles of Deer Camp!

(It's... been a while since I saw the movie, so I don't remember the exact quote.)

(Safe to assume you're from Michigan?)

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Is it terrible if a show shows a game incorrectly? No. But it is far more impressive when it's clear they've done their homework.

This.  http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork

Are you saying that you stacked the deck so that situations like "Ace of Spades loses" wouldn't occur, and that each hand was actually legitimate?  If so, that is awesome.

I think that's what he's saying.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2012, 07:06:44 pm »
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Cant be worse than the terrible game of poker from Casino Royale!

If Bond is the best player int he service im heading over there for a game right now!
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2012, 11:06:00 am »
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(Safe to assume you're from Michigan?)

No, I'm not from Michigan. I had to work pretty hard on getting my yooper accent right too. It was a special little show. It's still talked about around here. Pity it was in community theatre where the reach was smaller, but we had a pretty killer cast. I had a real hard time being the straight man around those yahoos.

And yeah, I did stack the deck so that each hand was legitimate, at least until my hand mysteriously changes to illegal cards.

I read that TV Tropes article. I can imagine that some people put too much work into it that would stymie the story. My example doesn't count since I didn't actually write it. Although, I think a great example of sacrificing story for research was Moby Dick. I started to read the unabridged version. I realized why it was abridged in the first place. There is literally a section in the book where the author explains the different types of whales. I glossed over that. I put the book down and then forgot to pick it back up. I suppose I should tackle that book again, but I need to get the abridged version.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2012, 11:19:41 am »
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If Bond is the best player int he service im heading over there for a game right now!

What, you don't propose to go all in with 3,5 suited?
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2012, 11:36:38 am »
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He had 5,7 suited, which isn't bad to stay in when there's 4 players in. He flops the inside straight flush draw which gives him a lot of outs and gets the straight flush, and the nuts, on the turn. He slowplays his hand, and gets very fortunate that every other player has something very good to work with, just not as good. Obviously something like this is super contrived for movie tension purposes, but I think bond probably played the last hand about as well as he could.

EDIT: The scene in question.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2012, 12:00:36 pm »
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Yes, let's analyze the effectiveness of a poker player based on ONE HAND of play. (Or like 4 randomly-selected hands or something that we see in the movie). ::) I feel like there's a meme in here somewhere.

Seriously, if you watch TV, those pros look like they don't play so well either - they play every stinking hand! Don't they know you ought to fold most often?! ::)

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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2012, 12:29:38 pm »
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He had 5,7 suited, which isn't bad to stay in when there's 4 players in. He flops the inside straight flush draw which gives him a lot of outs and gets the straight flush, and the nuts, on the turn. He slowplays his hand, and gets very fortunate that every other player has something very good to work with, just not as good. Obviously something like this is super contrived for movie tension purposes, but I think bond probably played the last hand about as well as he could.

EDIT: The scene in question.

Well, they have somehow each gotten in 6 big blinds preflop with two of the four guys leaving 5 and 6 bb's back. That, and the epic slowrolls in the end.

It is better tv that way though and they probably realized that.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2012, 04:48:48 pm »
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Something similar happened to me at Essen last year. We were playing a prototype of a very complex coop game and the German girl who was teaching us asked me in the middle of the game "Do you have wood?". I turned all red. The other guy at the table looked at me and we laughed. The girl and other girls we were playing with looked at us quizzically, but it was going to be too "hard" to explain. Little embarrassing.
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« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2012, 05:17:00 pm »
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Yes, let's analyze the effectiveness of a poker player based on ONE HAND of play. (Or like 4 randomly-selected hands or something that we see in the movie). ::) I feel like there's a meme in here somewhere.

Seriously, if you watch TV, those pros look like they don't play so well either - they play every stinking hand! Don't they know you ought to fold most often?! ::)

Not basing it on just the one hand, basing it on his comments and the way he acts.
Basically everything adds up to him being a player that has read about playing, betting and tells on wikipedia!

And after watching a tv show i bet i could identify which ones are the Pros and which are the people that have won an online qualifier or ones that have just bought thier way in.

And seriously, if a bleeding eye is a giveaway im pretty sure that a LOT of people notice it, not an unusual occurence!

And if you are basing your reads on actual phsical tells then you are not going to get very far!
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2012, 05:35:01 pm »
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Yes, let's analyze the effectiveness of a poker player based on ONE HAND of play. (Or like 4 randomly-selected hands or something that we see in the movie). ::) I feel like there's a meme in here somewhere.

Seriously, if you watch TV, those pros look like they don't play so well either - they play every stinking hand! Don't they know you ought to fold most often?! ::)

Not basing it on just the one hand, basing it on his comments and the way he acts.
Basically everything adds up to him being a player that has read about playing, betting and tells on wikipedia!

And after watching a tv show i bet i could identify which ones are the Pros and which are the people that have won an online qualifier or ones that have just bought thier way in.

And seriously, if a bleeding eye is a giveaway im pretty sure that a LOT of people notice it, not an unusual occurence!

And if you are basing your reads on actual phsical tells then you are not going to get very far!
Yeah, because poker players lay out all their strategy in words, totally honestly, and don't keep things to themselves ::)

Seriously guys, it's a movie. They're not going to be totally accurate. You remind me of people who will watch some random medieval action slog and shout about those kind of catapult balls that are flying around in the background having been first used 50 years later.

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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2012, 05:36:29 pm »
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Did you?

Seriously - enough talk about james bond poker... lets get this back on track. As pops asks, Did you, and if so, did you poker?
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« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2012, 05:38:45 pm »
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Yes, let's analyze the effectiveness of a poker player based on ONE HAND of play. (Or like 4 randomly-selected hands or something that we see in the movie). ::) I feel like there's a meme in here somewhere.

Seriously, if you watch TV, those pros look like they don't play so well either - they play every stinking hand! Don't they know you ought to fold most often?! ::)

Not basing it on just the one hand, basing it on his comments and the way he acts.
Basically everything adds up to him being a player that has read about playing, betting and tells on wikipedia!

And after watching a tv show i bet i could identify which ones are the Pros and which are the people that have won an online qualifier or ones that have just bought thier way in.

And seriously, if a bleeding eye is a giveaway im pretty sure that a LOT of people notice it, not an unusual occurence!

And if you are basing your reads on actual phsical tells then you are not going to get very far!
Yeah, because poker players lay out all their strategy in words, totally honestly, and don't keep things to themselves ::)

Seriously guys, it's a movie. They're not going to be totally accurate. You remind me of people who will watch some random medieval action slog and shout about those kind of catapult balls that are flying around in the background having been first used 50 years later.

Yes of course I know its a movie, and I know the way they did it is probably one of the better ways to show it to a largely non-poker fan base.

But that doesn't make it any less terrible and a relevant example to this thread.
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Re: Do you have wood?
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2012, 05:39:12 pm »
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Did you?

Seriously - enough talk about james bond poker... lets get this back on track. As pops asks, Did you, and if so, did you poker?

Pics or it didn't happen! Oh wait, wrong board....
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« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2012, 06:47:10 pm »
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The worst for sacrificing entertainment to research was S. Morganstern. In the middle of a chase scene in a forest he would digress for 70 pages to talk about the kinds of trees the heroine was running past! I know he wrote historical fiction and it helps put the scene in context but really? 70 pages?
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