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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #200 on: June 04, 2012, 03:14:50 pm »

Wowowow this is going to end up being as long as Mafia III, isn't it?  :o

First of all a big thanks to Voltgloss for changing the timeframes just to accommodate me! I totally wasn't expecting that and appreciate it.

I've been reading through for a while (the forum was super slow for me for a while too) and my thoughts so far:

Well, in that case.

Ahem.

Pick me! I'm scum!

But seriously, Galz, I am at work and I shouldn't even BE posting right now. But rest assured that when I get home this evening I will put on my scumhunting hat and get to work.

I don't like this. I don't think it's necessarily "scummy" but I think it's silly statements like this that can really get people in trouble. There are new people playing, we don't all know each others' playstyle, it's just risky. And like...why would you even say that? I don't agree that all humor is anti-town (I mean ultimately we're here to have fun, right?) but that kind of self-deprecating humor is just not smart play

In terms of the lynch vs no lynch on day 1 argument, I already stated what I think in Mafia III:

Positive:
Real information
Extra inferred information (who voted, when, etc)
Chance of lynching mafia

Negative:
Chance of lynching town (possibly higher chance than lynching mafia)
I'm not sure??

Can anyone add to that list?

By no means a complete list, still asking for any good additions.

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2012, 03:17:01 pm »

UNVOTE

Axxle, I'm still suspicious of how jumpy you are, but I was just fishing for responses from the other active members. I'm happy with what I got.

Suspicions: Axxle, slightly. None others atm.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #202 on: June 04, 2012, 03:17:49 pm »

Unvote

Well you were right.  Looking at Mafia I, O is just unhelpful Day 1 town, and miraculously changes Day 2 into good town.

If by "unhelpful" you mean "getting a VT lynched instead of Town Cop, which was unhelpful to me since I was mafia", then yes, very unhelpful.

I have to say - its pretty impressive to be claiming success @ lynching town - just because the alternative was worse.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #203 on: June 04, 2012, 03:22:15 pm »

Aside from Jo, which was just ugh, I haven't really seen anything that has given me any real red flags. By now I expect there will be some random accusations and lots of voting and unvoting (read: already happening) and eventually we will get somewhere. I like having extra time, to comment on that debate. I don't want to try to lynch too early. In my EXPERIENCE (*cough*MIII*cough*) ahem... being on a deadline got us all to vote but it made things really heated and desperate. I'd rather have too much time than too little. Don't have to use it all.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #204 on: June 04, 2012, 03:26:43 pm »

Unvote

Well you were right.  Looking at Mafia I, O is just unhelpful Day 1 town, and miraculously changes Day 2 into good town.

If by "unhelpful" you mean "getting a VT lynched instead of Town Cop, which was unhelpful to me since I was mafia", then yes, very unhelpful.

I have to say - its pretty impressive to be claiming success @ lynching town - just because the alternative was worse.
No, that's the sick part, he can.  Cop is such an overpowered role, it was worth him damaging day game just to save it (presuming he did)
I hate cops.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #205 on: June 04, 2012, 03:36:11 pm »

Unvote

Well you were right.  Looking at Mafia I, O is just unhelpful Day 1 town, and miraculously changes Day 2 into good town.

If by "unhelpful" you mean "getting a VT lynched instead of Town Cop, which was unhelpful to me since I was mafia", then yes, very unhelpful.

I have to say - its pretty impressive to be claiming success @ lynching town - just because the alternative was worse.
No, that's the sick part, he can.  Cop is such an overpowered role, it was worth him damaging day game just to save it (presuming he did)
I hate cops.

I don't like the Cop role when I play IRL. But here, it's so much harder to read people that an investigative role is almost essential.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #206 on: June 04, 2012, 03:50:15 pm »

Going back and looking at Axxle, I'm not sure that I see him being as suspicious as some people claim? It's hard to tell, the only other game I've seen him in...he was mafia. He does seem a little gruff and abrasive, but perhaps he just tends to be suspicious of people. I DO think it's silly to jump on people for trying to talk theory. Some theory seems reasonable...what ELSE do we have to talk about?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #207 on: June 04, 2012, 03:59:08 pm »

Wowowow this is going to end up being as long as Mafia III, isn't it?  :o

First of all a big thanks to Voltgloss for changing the timeframes just to accommodate me! I totally wasn't expecting that and appreciate it.

I've been reading through for a while (the forum was super slow for me for a while too) and my thoughts so far:

Well, in that case.

Ahem.

Pick me! I'm scum!

But seriously, Galz, I am at work and I shouldn't even BE posting right now. But rest assured that when I get home this evening I will put on my scumhunting hat and get to work.

I don't like this. I don't think it's necessarily "scummy" but I think it's silly statements like this that can really get people in trouble. There are new people playing, we don't all know each others' playstyle, it's just risky. And like...why would you even say that? I don't agree that all humor is anti-town (I mean ultimately we're here to have fun, right?) but that kind of self-deprecating humor is just not smart play

In terms of the lynch vs no lynch on day 1 argument, I already stated what I think in Mafia III:

Positive:
Real information
Extra inferred information (who voted, when, etc)
Chance of lynching mafia

Negative:
Chance of lynching town (possibly higher chance than lynching mafia)
I'm not sure??

Can anyone add to that list?

By no means a complete list, still asking for any good additions.

Pre-post edit: 7 new replies. Oh dear.

Why are you attacking J for those "scummy" posts but not me?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #208 on: June 04, 2012, 03:59:21 pm »

Unvote

Well you were right.  Looking at Mafia I, O is just unhelpful Day 1 town, and miraculously changes Day 2 into good town.

If by "unhelpful" you mean "getting a VT lynched instead of Town Cop, which was unhelpful to me since I was mafia", then yes, very unhelpful.

I have to say - its pretty impressive to be claiming success @ lynching town - just because the alternative was worse.
No, that's the sick part, he can.  Cop is such an overpowered role, it was worth him damaging day game just to save it (presuming he did)
I hate cops.

I don't like the Cop role when I play IRL. But here, it's so much harder to read people that an investigative role is almost essential.
I'm going to take deep calm breaths and not respond because this game needs to stay on track.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #209 on: June 04, 2012, 04:04:35 pm »

Why are you attacking J for those "scummy" posts but not me?

Ha! You're right, I was going to mention your Jester claim, but I figured it was obvious that it was a joke and not worth drawing attention to. Jester is confirmed not to be in the game whereas mafia is in every game. And I specifically said that it wasn't "scummy" (necessarily).
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« Reply #210 on: June 04, 2012, 04:06:02 pm »

Why are you attacking J for those "scummy" posts but not me?

Ha! You're right, I was going to mention your Jester claim, but I figured it was obvious that it was a joke and not worth drawing attention to. Jester is confirmed not to be in the game whereas mafia is in every game. And I specifically said that it wasn't "scummy" (necessarily).

*Specifically said that jotheonah's joke mafia claim wasn't scummy. I think that was clear enough.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #211 on: June 04, 2012, 04:22:13 pm »

I saw switched from starcraft reading this board but they haven't posted anything yet so

Vote: SwitchedFromStarcraft

Why you lurkin?
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« Reply #212 on: June 04, 2012, 04:29:16 pm »

I saw switched from starcraft reading this board but they haven't posted anything yet so

Vote: SwitchedFromStarcraft

Why you lurkin?

You're thinking that he's mafia and too afraid to post?
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« Reply #213 on: June 04, 2012, 04:34:23 pm »

I saw switched from starcraft reading this board but they haven't posted anything yet so

Vote: SwitchedFromStarcraft

Why you lurkin?

You're thinking that he's mafia and too afraid to post?

Possible, doubtful though but I'd like to provoke a response
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« Reply #214 on: June 04, 2012, 04:41:51 pm »

unvote, vote Insomniac
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« Reply #215 on: June 04, 2012, 04:42:37 pm »

unvote, vote Insomniac

Wait, why? No explanation at all?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)
« Reply #216 on: June 04, 2012, 04:43:46 pm »

I'm going to take deep calm breaths and not respond because this game needs to stay on track.

Any information is good information - A theory discussion of the relative power of roles is interesting to me.

I was actually reading up on this last night... a discussion of the C9 setup that you used (random selection of 2 roles from (Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Vanilla)) - which I guess was adopted because the standard variant (Cop + Doctor) had a dominant strategy (Cop claims - hidden Doctor protects)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2216

With this setup - it looks like the town is at a disadvantage - although that is a small sample size.

Also - for those interested - and I can't find the stats now, but someone claimed that in a study of newb games, the town successfully lynched scum just under 20% of the time... close to (but just under) the expected results of 22% if voting randomly.
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« Reply #217 on: June 04, 2012, 04:44:41 pm »

unvote, vote Insomniac

Wait, why? No explanation at all?

He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
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« Reply #218 on: June 04, 2012, 04:45:42 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk link=topic=2774.msg46543#msg46543
He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
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Oops - posted too fast.  Pops, I'm also interested in why you're voting - whether it be random, fun, don't like his name etc.
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« Reply #219 on: June 04, 2012, 04:46:46 pm »

unvote, vote Insomniac

My guess is because I voted for SFS who I said it's possible is mafia but doubtful. Either that or we have a mafia pair already!
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« Reply #220 on: June 04, 2012, 04:47:08 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk link=topic=2774.msg46543#msg46543
He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
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Oops - posted too fast.  Pops, I'm also interested in why you're voting - whether it be random, fun, don't like his name etc.

+1 because you're not allowed to edit this. ;D
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« Reply #221 on: June 04, 2012, 04:47:44 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk link=topic=2774.msg46543#msg46543
He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
[/quote

Oops - posted too fast.  Pops, I'm also interested in why you're voting - whether it be random, fun, don't like his name etc.

+1 because you're not allowed to edit this. ;D

I want to so bad!
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« Reply #222 on: June 04, 2012, 04:48:15 pm »

What?? Why did that happen? Umm anyway moving on now...
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« Reply #223 on: June 04, 2012, 04:48:42 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk link=topic=2774.msg46543#msg46543
He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
[/quote

Oops - posted too fast.  Pops, I'm also interested in why you're voting - whether it be random, fun, don't like his name etc.

Haha, boy C.F. You botched that one up pretty well. ;)

For the record Pops, I'm interested to hear why as well.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #224 on: June 04, 2012, 04:50:02 pm »

Quote from: Captain_Frisk link=topic=2774.msg46543#msg46543
He's pops... you know... from ctown?  He doesn't need any explanation.
[/quote

Oops - posted too fast.  Pops, I'm also interested in why you're voting - whether it be random, fun, don't like his name etc.

Haha, boy C.F. You botched that one up pretty well. ;)

For the record Pops, I'm interested to hear why as well.

Ha - you did it too!
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