Various thoughts.
Morgrim's responses have me
more convinced he is Mafia, not less. Why?
- Morgrim has still not responded to Robz888 asking him to defend his bandwagoning on "no lynch." Morgrim has explained why he jumped
off that bandwagon, but never explained why he jumped
on it so quickly. Now, I don't find jumping on that bandwagon to be a clear scumtell - but his continued failure to address Robz's question has me concerned.
- Morgrim did not respond regarding his pushing people to
vote, rather than to voice suspicions. His last post says not to get all over him for trying to speed things up because he "wanted to have peoples' opinion." Which is perfectly fine, and what several of us (including myself) have been trying to do. But... you can solicit peoples' opinion without pushing them to
vote.
- The whole "withholding information" thing. Let's look again at how Morgrim initially responded to my query:
I also have a separate question for those who have said "we should wait until we get more info": What additional info are you hoping to get, and how are you expecting to get it?
Question #1: I will not answer this question, the answer could turn out to be a dangerous peice of info.
Question #2: ditto
And then how Morgrim replied when I noted this as suspicious:
-Well, look at my post. I will say that that is the truth, but now it is not. I witheld the info. to protect you from being killed by the mafia, as they would have seen you as a useful source of info. and would want to kill you of if you were not mafia already and they had no better target.
The statement "I will say that that is the truth, but now it is not" is inscrutable to me. I really don't know what it means. It seems to be suggesting Morgrim is, or was, lying? Whatever it means, it is vague and obscure, and therefore suspicious.
Furthermore, the professed concern for
me - raised in Morgrim's explanation - does not actually come through in Morgrim's original reply. His original reply, that the answer could be a "dangerous piece of info," suggests rather that he is a power role - Cop, specifically. But now he's disavowed that in favor of some alternate explanation. This isn't ringing true for me.
Now, all this said, I understand the point raised by Galzria, and echoed by jotheonah, that Morgrim is likely either Mafia or a power role - and therefore, maybe we would do better to lynch Morgrim on the second day. However, the more I think about this, the less I think delaying benefits us. Why?
- If Morgrim is Mafia, then of course we want to lynch him now, rather than later.
- If Morgrim is NOT Mafia, but we go into Day 2 thinking "if Morgrim survives the night we lynch him in the day," then the Mafia has no reason to target him. So his surviving doesn't actually give us any further information about Morgrim we don't already have today. (Unless a Cop investigates him, I guess - but might we be better off having a Cop investigate someone who is more difficult to read?)
If Morgrim is a power role, and we move towards lynching him, then he'll be forced to reveal. But as Galzria said, that's not necessarily the worst result. Heck, if Morgrim reveals as Cop, and if we have a Doctor or Jailer in the mix (66% chance if Morgrim is a Cop), perhaps the Mafia will wind up wasting their nighttime kill chance taking the "obvious" route of targeting Morgrim.
End result: my vote for Morgrim stays unchanged.
Caveat: Galzria's concerns re: Bozzball and Tables resonate with me as well. I still think Morgrim is more suspicious, which is why my vote stays where it is (at least for now); but I would very much like to hear what Bozzball and Tables have to say. Especially Tables better explaining his last comment about Robz.