Topic: Huge gaping bug that prevents time out (Read 2081 times)

Insomniac · « **on:** May 01, 2012, 02:54:56 am »

So I was playing this game tonight against some person on isotropic. And on his turn 22 in a game I was winning he started mouthing off and stopped taking his turns. The problem is even though he didn't take his turn him talking allowed him to reboot his 3 minute timer. It doesn't seem to be linked to his talking now either as he has actually stopped talking. He was super rude and this probably has to do with a few threads that have been started before but my main issue is that the hole is one that shouldn't be there.

Insomniac · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2012, 03:37:24 am »

Is there anything that'll fix this I don't particularily want to scoop to something so stupid

WanderingWinder · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:28:14 am »

Probably not the greatest idea to just re-start a thread that was locked two days ago.

IF talking reboots a 3 minute timer, then yeah, that's an issue. I don't think it does.

paddyodoors · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2012, 09:48:53 am »

Quote from: WanderingWinder on May 01, 2012, 08:28:14 am

Probably not the greatest idea to just re-start a thread that was locked two days ago.

I actually didn't mind the thread so much until it turned into a flame-war of epic proportions (for this site). I wouldn't mind keeping the tradition alive with a new decline of civility thread. I think it really serves a cathartic need for those who don't sit well with rudeness "across the table" from them. Maybe I'm one of those people... maybe not. Not sure.

Either way, I think the decline of civility topic helped.

Kuildeous · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2012, 10:20:14 am »

The thread seemed to provide a good venting ground. I don't play Isotropic enough to run into jerks, but I can certainly empathize with the desire to stand around a virtual water cooler and say, "Man, can you believe this guy?"

It might be worthwhile to remove the names to protect the guilty. After all, these complaints are usually one-sided without the other person even around to defend himself. And even if he is around to defend himself, since his name has been called out, things can get really ugly (like they did).

I'm a little surprised that the thread was restarted this soon, but I'm not surprised it was restarted. If it wasn't the most popular thread, it certainly is near the top. Perhaps the decline in civility on Isotropic can retain civility on the forum if there is a no-name policy. Though, there is technically a thread about people to avoid, and that basically requires names be dropped.

Insomniac · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:13:37 am »

I'll remove the name, at this point im more complaining about the bug than the decline of civility, he did manage to snag a win because he woke up before me this morning. Whether its the talking that restarts it or not he is doing something that is causing an issue on isotropic. It might have to do with if a mute takes place or whatever it may be I don't know but its definitely something that should be looked into

ecq · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:36:57 am »

In my mind, the chat "bug" isn't the real problem. Even if you fix it, it's still possible to grief someone by slow-rolling. Make one play/decision every 2m45s. Play one treasure at a time. In most games, it'd be easy to drag out every turn to at least 10 minutes.

You could probably solve the problem with some sort of play clock (combined with a few seconds of grace period per click). Alternately, you could solve it by having a "report abuse" link that logs the game, chat, timestamps, and a description of the problem. Said logs could be farmed out to moderators to minimize work for DougZ. The remaining problem is that it's easy for people to just create new accounts.

Insomniac · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:50:59 am »

True but at least then you can see them weasling around about it. With this way theres nothing you can do but perhaps out wait the guy. And since I have a job where I work in the morning I'm not gonna stay up all night to beat him at it. Especially cuz it could be another case of client side javascript modification like the patented platinum/platinum opening. I assume the actual time out is server side, but maybe you can modify the script so it sends a wake up/i did something signal to the server when you chat or even just every 2 minutes without your help. These are things that can be done in javascript so I don't know how much of the time out is server side

ecq · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2012, 12:01:20 pm »

Fair enough. It'd take me about 5 minutes to write a bookmarklet that would extend the timeout indefinitely by sending periodic chat messages.

Insomniac · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2012, 12:57:51 pm »

Just as a note to everyone my intention is NOT to restart the decline of civility thread. When I started this thread I was a little steamed at the accused and thus made reference to it. However I had also not seen that the original thread (which I never took part in) was locked so I thought it would be ok. If this does end up restarting the decline of civility thread I will be the first to ask that this thread be locked.

greatexpectations · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:09:36 pm »

a decline of civility thread isn't inherently a bad idea. it actually seemed to work fairly well to have a focused place for people to vent frustrations. better a single ugly thread than having that frustration creep into other discussions.

and even the old thread wasn't all that bad. it lasted through 649 posts and nearly 11 months before theory decided to lock it. the problem wasn't the consistent content of the thread so much as the escalation at the end.

Morgrim7 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:15:19 pm »

Quote from: greatexpectations on May 01, 2012, 01:09:36 pm

a decline of civility thread isn't inherently a bad idea.

No, it isn't, but we have already tried and failed twice... I don't think it's a good idea to start again.

greatexpectations · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:21:12 pm »

Quote from: Morgrim7 on May 01, 2012, 01:15:19 pm

No, it isn't, but we have already tried and failed twice... I don't think it's a good idea to start again.

twice? i am only aware of the one thread. there have been tangential threads that have had heated discussion, but those have always been more civil.

and as i said, i'm not quite sure i would call 649 posts and 11 months a failure.

Morgrim7 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:25:53 pm »

Quote from: greatexpectations on May 01, 2012, 01:21:12 pm

Quote from: Morgrim7 on May 01, 2012, 01:15:19 pm
No, it isn't, but we have already tried and failed twice... I don't think it's a good idea to start again.

twice? i am only aware of the one thread.

"Decline of civility on Isotropic?" and "People to avoid on Isotropic"
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=64.0 http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1186.0

Ozle · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:26:36 pm »

Naming and shaming threads will always end in heated arguments, even if you dont actually put in the names. Its just a question of when

paddyodoors · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2012, 03:59:49 pm »

Quote from: Ozle on May 01, 2012, 01:26:36 pm

Naming and shaming threads will always end in heated arguments, even if you dont actually put in the names. Its just a question of when

Ah, see I thought we were talking about threads discussing the decline of civility on isotropic, not naming and shaming. My bad. Yes, a "naming and shaming" thread would be in poor taste.

jonts26 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:09:41 pm »

Quote from: paddyodoors on May 01, 2012, 03:59:49 pm

Quote from: Ozle on May 01, 2012, 01:26:36 pm
Naming and shaming threads will always end in heated arguments, even if you dont actually put in the names. Its just a question of when
Ah, see I thought we were talking about threads discussing the decline of civility on isotropic, not naming and shaming. My bad. Yes, a "naming and shaming" thread would be in poor taste.

Those two threads have a very fine line and given time, the former will turn into the latter.

Insomniac · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:42:33 pm »

Well, I have to point it out.. This has become the "Decline in the 'Decline in civility in isotropic'" thread...

ecq · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:44:48 pm »

I N C E P T I O N

Insomniac · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2012, 02:46:12 pm »

So a little insight, I THINK it has to do with the undo button. As it turns out (I brought a friend in to test) when you play money and undo it it doesn't show up for them and playing money would trigger you still doing an action

def · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2012, 04:23:39 pm »

Quote from: Insomniac on May 05, 2012, 02:46:12 pm

So a little insight, I THINK it has to do with the undo button. As it turns out (I brought a friend in to test) when you play money and undo it it doesn't show up for them and playing money would trigger you still doing an action

But it shows up shortly, or are you so fast that it doesn't?

Insomniac · « **Reply #21 on:** May 07, 2012, 01:16:26 am »

If you're fast enough it does not show up

jonts26 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2012, 03:25:54 am »

So we never really found a solution to this problem, correct?

Because I'm currently in a game against trapdoor seahag and he's been idling about a half hour now with no resign button. I tried talking, but got no response so I think it's likely a bot of some kind. Anyway I'm too stubborn to ever exit out. So I think I'm just going to go to bed. At the very least it will prevent him from getting some more cheap wins from other players while I'm away.

Insomniac · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2012, 03:39:48 am »

Around 6am he will end his turn and make you resign, but no we havent figured out a work around unfortunately (Thats what I did too and he made me resign at 6:30 in the morning)

jayro · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2012, 05:09:29 am »

How pathetic some people can be ...

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