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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2012, 12:45:59 pm »
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Depending on the severity of the error / tip - I fluctuate between giving advise mid game vs. at game end.

For situations like "play bank before your other treasures", that's one I would give out right away.  Someone recently ended up with a situation where they played golemn -> swindler / seahag.  They played the sea hag first, and then swindled the curse... so I pointed out straight ahead.

I think I have have been burned once by this in a throne room / minion game.  After someone started throning minions, they did the common new player mistake of taking $2 first, and then shuffling...

When I pointed out that if you intend to shuffle, you should do it first, so that you have the option to either shuffle or $2 AFTER seeing the results of the shuffle, they proceeded to do that for the rest of the game.

I don't remember if it actually cost me the game, but I was definitely questioning the wisdom of providing the tip in the middle of the game.

Most of the time, strategic advise mid game doesn't really matter all that much - since there's really no way to take back the throne room / woodcutter opening.
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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2012, 02:19:29 pm »
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Its an online card game (with no overall winner) I think I would respect someone much more for pointing out obvious strategic blunders midway through a game than for having level 30+ skill level.

Obviously my respect isn't actually 'worth' anything, but thought I would share that.
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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2012, 02:29:54 pm »
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Its an online card game (with no overall winner) I think I would respect someone much more for pointing out obvious strategic blunders midway through a game than for having level 30+ skill level.

Obviously my respect isn't actually 'worth' anything, but thought I would share that.
On the other hand, some people lose a lot of respect for you if you arrogantly tell them how to play the game like you're the be-all and end-all of dominion.
Now, there's some middle-ground here, but it's not so clear-cut as you're implying, and it's certainly a line drawn in different places for different people.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I know that's not your intention. But there are people who take it that way.

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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2012, 02:40:46 pm »
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Its an online card game (with no overall winner) I think I would respect someone much more for pointing out obvious strategic blunders midway through a game than for having level 30+ skill level.

Obviously my respect isn't actually 'worth' anything, but thought I would share that.
On the other hand, some people lose a lot of respect for you if you arrogantly tell them how to play the game like you're the be-all and end-all of dominion.
Now, there's some middle-ground here, but it's not so clear-cut as you're implying, and it's certainly a line drawn in different places for different people.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I know that's not your intention. But there are people who take it that way.

Says the guy with the Dominion YouTube channel  ;D

But you're right.  As I said before, I got told off for telling a guy that revealing a Trader would not gain 4 Silvers in addition to a Province.  A lot of people react poorly when you point out their mistakes.  Since then, I'm pretty wary of offering unsolicited advice even when it's obviously needed.
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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2012, 03:29:06 pm »
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What's the point of a ranking system if it doesn't reflect skill at the game? There are minor things like misclicks and 5/2 versus 4/3 splits that can uneven the odds in a way that has little connection to the game. We should try to minimize these effects.

How are 5/2 vs. 4/3 splits any less a part of the game than shuffling? In fact, that's exactly what it is: the first shuffle of your deck determines your opening hands. I expect people who insist on identical openings wouldn't also insist on some form of identical shuffling from that point on, but on what principle? Shouldn't turns 3 and 4 also be identical in order to better reflect skill? Of course not. I mean, in some sense you could make games better reflect skill by refusing to play with highly luck-dependent kingdom cards (familiar, treasure map), but you can't claim that by doing so you are somehow playing a truer form of the game. Quite the opposite.
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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2012, 04:38:00 am »
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Its an online card game (with no overall winner) I think I would respect someone much more for pointing out obvious strategic blunders midway through a game than for having level 30+ skill level.

Obviously my respect isn't actually 'worth' anything, but thought I would share that.
On the other hand, some people lose a lot of respect for you if you arrogantly tell them how to play the game like you're the be-all and end-all of dominion.
Now, there's some middle-ground here, but it's not so clear-cut as you're implying, and it's certainly a line drawn in different places for different people.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I know that's not your intention. But there are people who take it that way.

Yeah, definitely not my intent to tell people how to play the game, I'd be the last person to do that!

And gaining my respect isn't really a special thing either, plus it can easily be bought with a lollipop.
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Re: How I was almost crushed by a n00b with $1 Banks
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2012, 01:03:09 pm »
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I had someone do this to me yesterday - remind me of the rules that is - and apparently I'm one of the people who finds this somewhere between quite annoying and downright insulting.
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