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[jonts26]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

How about this?
*Not exactly ad hominem but in the same spirit.

And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

[barsooma]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

How about this?
*Not exactly ad hominem but in the same spirit.

And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

Har har.
You're right, that's not ad hominem. Maybe this will help you figure it out: http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2010/06/difference-between-ad-hominem-and.html
The real problem here is people who think their (poorly thought out, unsupported) opinions deserve respect simply because they are very good at playing a card game.

[jonts26]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

How about this?
*Not exactly ad hominem but in the same spirit.

And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

Har har.
You're right, that's not ad hominem. Maybe this will help you figure it out: http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2010/06/difference-between-ad-hominem-and.html
The real problem here is people who think their (poorly thought out, unsupported) opinions deserve respect simply because they are very good at playing a card game.

Hey I can passive aggressively link websites too!  http://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showtopic=19899

[DStu]

... and I thought 5 6 posts ago I should look into this thread again ...

[BaruMonkey]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

How about this?
*Not exactly ad hominem but in the same spirit.

And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

Har har.
You're right, that's not ad hominem. Maybe this will help you figure it out: http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2010/06/difference-between-ad-hominem-and.html
The real problem here is people who think their (poorly thought out, unsupported) opinions deserve respect simply because they are very good at playing a card game.

Hey I can passive aggressively link websites too!  http://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showtopic=19899

Barsooma's point is valid, even if he's being a dick about it. Rrenaud was (as I'm reading it) trying to distinguish between "just bickering" (which might be reasonable) and ad hominem (which is not). An example of ad hominem has not yet been produced as requested.

[ftl]

... and I thought 5 6 posts ago I should look into this thread again ...

Yep

[jonts26]

I clearly stated that my example was NOT an example of ad hominem. Barsooma responded by acknowledging that I stated that and then proceeding to link that article after implying that I don't know the difference. In reality I was just making a joke, with perhaps a slightly insulting undertone myself.

As for actual ad hominem, I never stated that he made any, and really don't care to look over the entirety of the arguing from earlier in the thread to find out.

[rrenaud]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?

You are right.  You didn't insult him until he called you a troll. 

From my point of view, you didn't actually start trolling until being called a troll.  That is epic.  You have won.

[Fabian]

ITT people still pay attention to barsooma for some reason?

Good post man, +1

[O]

I propose we keep the forum bickering and cancer where it belongs.

The decline of civility on isotropic thread!

(Just kidding.. actually no, I'm not kidding).

[WanderingWinder]

Also, the constraints problem, where you basically couldn't put in constraints, seems to be fixed now.

[Axxle]

Also, the constraints problem, where you basically couldn't put in constraints, seems to be fixed now.

Where does DougZ live? I need to buy him a few drinks.

[Thisisnotasmile]

Also, the constraints problem, where you basically couldn't put in constraints, seems to be fixed now.

Where does DougZ live? I need to buy him a few drinks.

Palo Alto, CA

[Kuildeous]

No matter how many times I enter Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, I can never start off with more than 5 Copper.

[rrenaud]

The correct incantation is <redacted>

[dougz]

The correct incantations don't work on the public server, unless you're logged in as me.  :-)

[Ozle]

I seem to have forgotten your password Doug, what was it again?

[theory]

dougz rises to the top of the leaderboard with his patented Platinum/Platinum opening.

(Link may actually have nothing to do with doug, but it is the most bizarre Isotropic log I've ever seen.)

[BaruMonkey]

No matter how many times I enter Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, I can never start off with more than 5 Copper.

Not exactly what you meant (I now realize you said 5, not 7), but allow me to refer you to this tread: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1587.0

[Axxle]

No matter how many times I enter Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, I can never start off with more than 5 Copper.

Not exactly what you meant (I now realize you said 5, not 7), but allow me to refer you to this tread: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1587.0

I'm sure he meant "In Hand"

[BaruMonkey]

I'm sure he meant "In Hand"

As am I.

[Axxle]

I'm sure he meant "In Hand"

As am I.

Ah, misread that as "not exactly sure what you meant"

[Kirian]

dougz rises to the top of the leaderboard with his patented Platinum/Platinum opening.

(Link may actually have nothing to do with doug, but it is the most bizarre Isotropic log I've ever seen.)

How the hell did that even happen?

[Morgrim7]

dougz rises to the top of the leaderboard with his patented Platinum/Platinum opening.

(Link may actually have nothing to do with doug, but it is the most bizarre Isotropic log I've ever seen.)

Looking at the board...KC...Mountebank...Wharf...meh,I'll open Platnium/Platnium.

[dougz]

How the hell did that even happen?

Yeah, so, um, embarrassing.

After theory posted that log, I was curious if there was a bug or exploit or something (it's a year old, but I didn't remember fixing anything along those lines), so I wrote to the player and asked him, and while I waited for him to reply I went reading through that section of the code.

Turns out that (until last night) the server didn't actually check to see if you had enough money to buy the card you asked to buy.  Normally it's not a problem because the interface only makes cards clickable if you can afford them, but if you hack the javascript, or insert a proxy that modifies the request on the way to the server (as bdhcompany did) it would happily sell you any card in the supply whether you had the money for it or not.  Whoops!

Anyway, bdhcompany was cool about it, that game was apparently a joke he was playing on his co-workers.  And it's fixed now, so this shouldn't be possible any longer.

No, I'm not going to do anything about past games.  If anyone was using it regularly, I guess we'll see a precipitous fall on the leaderboard soon...