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Dominion: Plunder
« on: August 28, 2022, 06:21:56 pm »
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https://www.riograndegames.com/games/dominion-plunder/

Across the sea, they have so much stuff. And it’s so much better than your stuff. Finer craftsmanship. Better quality materials. Shinier. They have crowns, tiaras, and diadems – and that’s just the hats. It’s time to get some of that stuff. You want an easy life, and you’re prepared to work hard for it. So you’ve rounded up some old salty dogs, plus a sourpuss and a bitter goldfish. And set sail. The sea is a harsh mistress, but a good cook, at least if you like everything really salty. There are red skies tonight, so they’ll be making a batch of Sailor’s Delight, which you understand to have tuna fish in it. And soon you’ll be attacking merchant ships and taking their treasure. But the real treasure is the happy memories you’ll be making.

This is the 15th expansion to Dominion. It has 500 cards, with 40 new Kingdom cards. It has lots of Treasures and Durations, with cards that give you Loot, and Traits that modify piles. Events return.

When will it come out? Wait I can link you a post by Donald X., from the TGG discord: https://discord.com/channels/609163450077151233/1001235513635782777/1012989961357758584

"New expansion now expected in November, to be announced in September.

I "finish" the expansion whenever; it's completely random, based on when I started and how much I focused on it. It's not actually done because it can keep changing until it's sent to the printer, so it does. RGG doesn't so much wait to put them out; they pick some convenient date in the future. October is especially appealing because that's when Spiel happens, the big gaming convention in Essen, Germany. So it's very common for expansions to come out in... November. They're planned for October and then get delayed. We put in the work to get this one done early and it's still looking like November. Allies was especially delayed, we thought it would come out last year.

For sure it was obvious that we had Allies and the 2E's this year; should the new expansion therefore wait? RGG decided no, and tried to get it to come out in October."
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 07:57:09 pm »
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Reports have come in that fans are already encamped around game stores, waiting for their turn to draw this into their hands to reveal and play it for a victory point
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2022, 08:41:03 pm »
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I'm excited about these Traits! I wonder how they will be different from Adventures tokens? Also, another expansion named after a card from a previous expansion, with lots of existing cards in the flavor text no less.

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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2022, 09:41:08 am »
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I'll never say no to more Dominion, and sounds like will be the BIGGEST expansion we've seen so far--40 Kingdom cards! Along with Allies and the 2Es, that's almost 100 brand new Kingdom cards in one year.

I'm guessing Traits will modify piles universally for all players vs. Adventures tokens only modifying the pile for each player. Not sure if they'll be things like Obelisk or Young Witch with Setup instructions where cards from this randomly chosen pile have an additional passive ability for this game, or if they'll turn on and off at different times throughout the game (perhaps through Events or other cards).

We already have Spoils and Horses, so Loot will probably be something different than just another pile of one-shots (and they probably won't be tokens either). My prediction is they'll be unique non-Supply cards like Prizes that can only be gained through other cards. Not sure if they'll be singletons like Prizes or have their own piles like Spirits (perhaps there's different Loot cards that rotate in and out for each game).

With Kingdom cards and randomizers taking up 440-446 cards and Events likely taking up another 14-20, that leaves 30 to 40ish cards for Traits and Loot.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2022, 11:26:30 am »
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I'm not convinced that Loot is actually its own card type. I could imagine something like Loot is an extra kingdom supply pile that you can only gain from by playing certain cards. That would fit the flavor text.

I would also love it if Loot was a variant on the Black Market deck, but that's less likely.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2022, 12:41:08 pm »
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I'll never say no to more Dominion, and sounds like will be the BIGGEST expansion we've seen so far--40 Kingdom cards! Along with Allies and the 2Es, that's almost 100 brand new Kingdom cards in one year.

I'm guessing Traits will modify piles universally for all players vs. Adventures tokens only modifying the pile for each player. Not sure if they'll be things like Obelisk or Young Witch with Setup instructions where cards from this randomly chosen pile have an additional passive ability for this game, or if they'll turn on and off at different times throughout the game (perhaps through Events or other cards).

We already have Spoils and Horses, so Loot will probably be something different than just another pile of one-shots (and they probably won't be tokens either). My prediction is they'll be unique non-Supply cards like Prizes that can only be gained through other cards. Not sure if they'll be singletons like Prizes or have their own piles like Spirits (perhaps there's different Loot cards that rotate in and out for each game).

With Kingdom cards and randomizers taking up 440-446 cards and Events likely taking up another 14-20, that leaves 30 to 40ish cards for Traits and Loot.

We already have the precedent of Family of Inventors reducing costs for everyone, so an Adventures-style token that's universal wouldn't be unprecedented. It could lead to some interesting strategies if, like Adventures tokens, they can be moved after being placed. I think that would be more strategically interesting than a set-up instruction. Especially if it requires something like an Event to do, where you'd have to spend money (or some other resource, similar to Favors, but presumably not the same as Favors, since if that was the case, the preview would presumably note that Allies return as well as Events)
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2022, 12:18:50 pm »
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It's a shame that you have to wait until Dominion: Encampment is out of stock until you buy this. Isn't that seriously limiting the market for this? Especially because people who run into financial difficulties are required to return their copies of Encampment. Seems like a rip off to me.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2022, 05:22:01 pm »
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It's a shame that you have to wait until Dominion: Encampment is out of stock until you buy this. Isn't that seriously limiting the market for this? Especially because people who run into financial difficulties are required to return their copies of Encampment. Seems like a rip off to me.

It's really not a big deal; just play a Battle Plan.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2022, 10:55:01 am »
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I would love to be able to play a card called “Bitter Goldfish”. That would be hilarious.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2022, 11:07:20 am »
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Isn't that just Envy?
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2022, 11:57:47 am »
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It seems odd to me when these expansions are also named after cards from other sets. 

That said stoked for this.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2022, 12:01:48 pm »
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I'm excited about these Traits! I wonder how they will be different from Adventures tokens? Also, another expansion named after a card from a previous expansion, with lots of existing cards in the flavor text no less.
my guess is that they will modify aspects of cards in the way that family of inventors does, but more like a teacher play where you can probably add Draws/buys/trash/actions/coins/cost reduction etc, based on whether is like Pirate raid for plus action, or merchants plunder for buys etc.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2022, 12:04:00 pm »
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I'm not convinced that Loot is actually its own card type. I could imagine something like Loot is an extra kingdom supply pile that you can only gain from by playing certain cards. That would fit the flavor text.

I would also love it if Loot was a variant on the Black Market deck, but that's less likely.

Like a pile that emulates the actions of the knights, but just the non-trashing actions etc... kind of like a hybrid between spoils and boons.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2022, 12:05:01 pm »
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It seems odd to me when these expansions are also named after cards from other sets. 

That said stoked for this.

If it makes you feel better, this has been happening in other languages for years. "Cornucopia" means "horn of plenty", so in some languages those were the same word. Likewise "Venture" and "Adventures".
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2022, 12:05:35 pm »
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I'll never say no to more Dominion, and sounds like will be the BIGGEST expansion we've seen so far--40 Kingdom cards! Along with Allies and the 2Es, that's almost 100 brand new Kingdom cards in one year.

I'm guessing Traits will modify piles universally for all players vs. Adventures tokens only modifying the pile for each player. Not sure if they'll be things like Obelisk or Young Witch with Setup instructions where cards from this randomly chosen pile have an additional passive ability for this game, or if they'll turn on and off at different times throughout the game (perhaps through Events or other cards).

We already have Spoils and Horses, so Loot will probably be something different than just another pile of one-shots (and they probably won't be tokens either). My prediction is they'll be unique non-Supply cards like Prizes that can only be gained through other cards. Not sure if they'll be singletons like Prizes or have their own piles like Spirits (perhaps there's different Loot cards that rotate in and out for each game).

With Kingdom cards and randomizers taking up 440-446 cards and Events likely taking up another 14-20, that leaves 30 to 40ish cards for Traits and Loot.

We already have the precedent of Family of Inventors reducing costs for everyone, so an Adventures-style token that's universal wouldn't be unprecedented. It could lead to some interesting strategies if, like Adventures tokens, they can be moved after being placed. I think that would be more strategically interesting than a set-up instruction. Especially if it requires something like an Event to do, where you'd have to spend money (or some other resource, similar to Favors, but presumably not the same as Favors, since if that was the case, the preview would presumably note that Allies return as well as Events)

yeah there are certain decks/cards that could be really interesting if you add +3 buys to a card for eg.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2022, 12:06:13 pm »
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It's a shame that you have to wait until Dominion: Encampment is out of stock until you buy this. Isn't that seriously limiting the market for this? Especially because people who run into financial difficulties are required to return their copies of Encampment. Seems like a rip off to me.

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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2022, 12:08:05 pm »
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I would love to be able to play a card called “Bitter Goldfish”. That would be hilarious.

odds are decent one exists in the GPT-3 thread...

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21183.0
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2022, 12:09:47 pm »
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It seems odd to me when these expansions are also named after cards from other sets. 

That said stoked for this.

If it makes you feel better, this has been happening in other languages for years. "Cornucopia" means "horn of plenty", so in some languages those were the same word. Likewise "Venture" and "Adventures".

Menagerie is the one that comes to mind for me.
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2022, 01:11:59 pm »
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It seems odd to me when these expansions are also named after cards from other sets. 

That said stoked for this.

If it makes you feel better, this has been happening in other languages for years. "Cornucopia" means "horn of plenty", so in some languages those were the same word. Likewise "Venture" and "Adventures".

Horn of Plenty is in Cornucopia though.
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2022, 10:29:56 am »
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It seems odd to me when these expansions are also named after cards from other sets. 

That said stoked for this.

I agree.  I would be curious why create such confusion.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2022, 11:43:29 am »
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Guys, it’s not confusing.

How often does anyone walk into a room and shout “I love Menagerie” with no context? Does anyone say “Menagerie is my favorite!” with no introduction? Don’t we usually say “Menagerie is my favorite card!” or “Menagerie is my favorite expansion!”

When someone asks “What expansion should I get next?” and someone says “Plunder,” does anyone seriously think the person is suggesting someone go out and individually order a single stack of cards when the OP asked for expansion ideas? When someone says “I used Plunder to win a game the other day,” does it make sense to think they used an entire expansion to win a single game?
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2022, 06:23:05 pm »
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Why assume they're talking about Dominion at all? If someone says they like Plunder, they might just be a viking.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2022, 10:21:22 am »
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I got my Seaside 2nd edition pack a few days before the announcement, which i only heard about from the wiki. I was lamenting the loss of Pirate Ship, although not from my box, and upon hearing this wondered if a version of Pirate Ship would appear.

I also wondered if you would be able to plunder the mats: Coffers, Villagers, Tavern, or Exile.

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2022, 01:38:01 pm »
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Happy Dominion: Plunder print date. Per a follow-up post from DXV on discord:

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2022, 07:20:30 pm »
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So when are we getting previews?
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2022, 11:44:10 pm »
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Prediction: Loots will be like an Ally version of Spoils - if the game has something that gives Loots, you randomly select a Loot card, and then the Loot pile will be made of that card.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2022, 06:41:46 am »
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So when are we getting previews?

If I remember correctly, the previews are usually scheduled for the week before the digital release.
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2022, 10:19:30 pm »
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I dare not ask, but with all of the recent 2nd editions, and now plunder, are there any STORAGE options for ALL of the current cards (1st and 2nd editions combined), but even better any options that allow for continued expansions, so I can just add onto the proposed solution?

So I did 'the math' based upon the following - original sets + update packs + promos + base cards + blanks - intrigue + intrigue 2nd (since 1st had repeat of base cards) = 6461
Note: original dominion had 7 extra randomizers for base cards I think, so I am including those too, since it is part of the original 500
(And yes my math skills are only that advanced... my REAL question is the permutations of # of games...and yes including a black market with ALL non-kingdom cards)

This includes-  'unique' cards, including randomizer cards that were included in the set (and promos). - 'the math' is below (I included the non-counted sets).  And 'unique' does not include the 'reworded' versions, as they did not change (too much as I did not know which rewording cards changed from the original)

I am surprised this level of detail is not included in a wiki page as a table, - total cards - new cards totals, reworded cards that 'change play' and reworded that did not 'change play'.


dominion - 500
intrigue 2nd - 268
seaside - 500
propertiy - 300
hinterland - 300
dark ages - 500
adventures - 400
empires - 300
nocturne - 500
renaissance - 300
menagerie - 400
allies - 400
plunder - 500
alchemy - 150
cornucopia - 150
guilds - 150
dominion update - 80
intrigue update - 80
seaside update - 100
prosperity update - 100
hinterland update - 100
envoy - 11
black - 11
stash - 11
walled village - 11
governor - 11
prince - 11
summon - 1
sauna - 11
dismantle - 11
captian  - 11
church - 11
prince - 11
base - 250
= total 6461

intrigue - 500
seaside 2nd - 300
prosperity 2nd - 300
hinterland 2nd - 300
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Re: Dominion: Plunder
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2022, 01:30:15 am »
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It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2022, 01:22:15 pm »
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It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.
Did you remove the plastic insert to get that kind of density?
Last week i went on vacation, but had limited room. I left the plastic insert in, but still managed to add almost a full set in the middle space of the two boxes that i brought along. I also have several yellow base card boxes for my fan made cards, of which i brought one.
I keep my essentials in four boxes: Intrigue has base card, Mixed has some Horizontals, Renaissance has mats and tokens, and Menagerie has Horse and some more Horizontals.

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2022, 07:31:19 pm »
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It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.
Did you remove the plastic insert to get that kind of density?
Last week i went on vacation, but had limited room. I left the plastic insert in, but still managed to add almost a full set in the middle space of the two boxes that i brought along. I also have several yellow base card boxes for my fan made cards, of which i brought one.
I keep my essentials in four boxes: Intrigue has base card, Mixed has some Horizontals, Renaissance has mats and tokens, and Menagerie has Horse and some more Horizontals.


Yeah, I removed the plastic inserts. Here is a post and some pictures I had discussing my initial setup--since then I removed the middle column of cards because the boxes started to buckle a bit (I recommend not having a middle column, or alternatively, Adam Horton suggested on the Reddit thread that I add some hardboard to the bottom of the box, which may help prevent buckling):
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/b3e4y4/my_free_storage_solution_for_all_expansions/
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2022, 09:01:38 am »
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I dare not ask, but with all of the recent 2nd editions, and now plunder, are there any STORAGE options for ALL of the current cards (1st and 2nd editions combined), but even better any options that allow for continued expansions, so I can just add onto the proposed solution?

There is this option floating out there. :)  I've been busy with moving my sister but I know with Plunder coming out some players will be looking to make an adjustment to their storage system.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13oU4GdEAhJmzLl4lVFlbuLI9938AO-SN/view?usp=sharing
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2022, 01:33:28 pm »
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I noticed that someone has posted a Release date of 1/1/2023 on amazon.  this is the first I have seen someone commit to an actual date.  Although I did not see a cost there
https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Expansion-Strategy-Exploration-Plundering/dp/B0BMM56M88
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2022, 03:56:45 am »
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Plunder previews will run from Dec. 12 through Dec. 16. As usual dominion.games plans to let people play the previews online.

Plunder itself will not be out by Dec. 16 (hence the previews being that week). It's arrived in the US, but it still takes time for it to get from place to place.
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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2022, 03:59:03 pm »
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So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2022, 11:13:51 am »
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So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2022, 08:13:50 pm »
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So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2022, 01:24:01 am »
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**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2022, 02:40:11 am »
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I think the site said 12-18 of dec
Or read the post immediately above yours...

Yeah, but what does that Donald X guy know anyway?

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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2022, 09:59:46 pm »
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**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.
I don't suppose you have any idea when the physical version of Plunder might reach the UK? We're still waiting for the Prosperity/Hinterlands second editions here, so by analogy we'd be looking at something like April/May?
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2022, 01:26:19 am »
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**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.
I don't suppose you have any idea when the physical version of Plunder might reach the UK? We're still waiting for the Prosperity/Hinterlands second editions here, so by analogy we'd be looking at something like April/May?
It's not something I ever know. You could ask the UK publisher.
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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2022, 02:16:46 pm »
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Guys, it’s not confusing.

How often does anyone walk into a room and shout “I love Menagerie” with no context? Does anyone say “Menagerie is my favorite!” with no introduction? Don’t we usually say “Menagerie is my favorite card!” or “Menagerie is my favorite expansion!”

When someone asks “What expansion should I get next?” and someone says “Plunder,” does anyone seriously think the person is suggesting someone go out and individually order a single stack of cards when the OP asked for expansion ideas? When someone says “I used Plunder to win a game the other day,” does it make sense to think they used an entire expansion to win a single game?

It's not just humans.  The FDS extension bot gets confused too

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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2022, 08:08:05 pm »
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Guys, it’s not confusing.

How often does anyone walk into a room and shout “I love Menagerie” with no context? Does anyone say “Menagerie is my favorite!” with no introduction? Don’t we usually say “Menagerie is my favorite card!” or “Menagerie is my favorite expansion!”

When someone asks “What expansion should I get next?” and someone says “Plunder,” does anyone seriously think the person is suggesting someone go out and individually order a single stack of cards when the OP asked for expansion ideas? When someone says “I used Plunder to win a game the other day,” does it make sense to think they used an entire expansion to win a single game?

It's not just humans.  The FDS extension bot gets confused too

https://tinyurl.com/2kkmjys8

Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response. It doesn’t analyze conversation or look around the room scanning to see if there’s a box that says “Plunder” in bold letters before deciding whether to post the card text or not. It sees Plunder, it knows there is a card named Plunder, it pastes the card text. That’s it.

If somebody said “GUYS! Guess what! I just went to the game store and bought Plunder!” it would be clear that they are referring to the newest expansion, because the alternative would be that the person went to the game store, bought half of a split pile from an expansion that has been out for six and a half years, and expected us to be impressed.

I’m willing to argue with anyone that at least 99% of the time a card and expansion sharing a name is a non-issue. If you disagree, I’d love to hear the exact circumstances under which the word “Plunder” or “Menagerie” or “Loot” was used and you were legitimately confused as to what it meant. Even if somebody just randomly went onto the forums and said “I love Plunder!!!” with no further explanation, I find it doubtful they had waited this long to share their passion love for Plunder the card.

If you genuinely find it confusing then I’m truly sorry for responding so verbosely, but I see folks complaining about this as if it’s a huge problem and Donald should’ve known better but nobody has given any examples of what bad things have actually happened because of it. It’s not some crime against humanity to ask people to use context to determine the meaning of a sentence. If somebody walks into a room and says “Chartreuse!” with no further information, it’s meaningless, even thought chartreuse (to my knowledge) has only one possible meaning.
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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2022, 08:54:32 pm »
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Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.
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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2022, 11:07:38 am »
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Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.

First, you’re absolutely right, I was over the top. Honkeyfresh, I apologize, please forgive me for going off on you like that.

Re: the bot, I have basic coding knowledge and recognize the creation of the bot is an impressive feat, and I doubt I could recreate it myself in any reasonable amount of time. My point is that saying “See, even the bot is confused!” is irrelevant because the bot was not written to understand context the way a human does.

As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.
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« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2022, 11:46:07 am »
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As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.
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« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2022, 12:20:02 pm »
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It's like MTG coming up with new keywords. I can sort of get what surveil and casualty are going to mean, but connive? In what world am I supposed to assume that "connive" means "draw a card, discard a card, and maybe put a +1/+1 counter on this"?
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« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2022, 03:06:25 pm »
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Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.

First, you’re absolutely right, I was over the top. Honkeyfresh, I apologize, please forgive me for going off on you like that.

Re: the bot, I have basic coding knowledge and recognize the creation of the bot is an impressive feat, and I doubt I could recreate it myself in any reasonable amount of time. My point is that saying “See, even the bot is confused!” is irrelevant because the bot was not written to understand context the way a human does.

As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.

Thanks for the apology. My bit about the bot was meant to be in jest, because if taken literally, “all it does” implies that it’s an easy thing to do; though I new that wasn’t what you meant.
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« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2022, 08:42:04 pm »
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Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2022, 08:52:27 pm »
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Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
As I tend to rarely trust reliable resources for my Dominion purchases, who do IRL players use as their (US source)?

I went to a local game store chain (“Games by James” in the Midwest US) and bought it there (They don’t really have an online storefront, sorry). From watching the last couple release cycles, I’d expect your local game store would have it before anybody online. IMO most early online “availability” are scalpers who are just going to hold your order and then fulfill it as soon as it becomes ACTUALLY available.
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2022, 10:10:25 am »
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Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
As I tend to rarely trust reliable resources for my Dominion purchases, who do IRL players use as their (US source)?

I went to a local game store chain (“Games by James” in the Midwest US) and bought it there (They don’t really have an online storefront, sorry). From watching the last couple release cycles, I’d expect your local game store would have it before anybody online. IMO most early online “availability” are scalpers who are just going to hold your order and then fulfill it as soon as it becomes ACTUALLY available.

Did I read that correctly? You were able to buy Plunder in your local game store?  Mine 'Black Moon Games' is still waiting for a release date before they will order it for me.
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2022, 10:56:24 am »
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I mean, I went to the store in-person and bought it off the shelf, I didn’t order it. It’s just a “it gets there when it gets there” kind of thing. If they already ordered it for their inventory and they don’t know when it’ll be there, why would they waste your time processing an additional order when they can’t guarantee it’ll be there before you can find it somewhere else?
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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2023, 12:47:08 pm »
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Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
As I tend to rarely trust reliable resources for my Dominion purchases, who do IRL players use as their (US source)?

I went to a local game store chain (“Games by James” in the Midwest US) and bought it there (They don’t really have an online storefront, sorry). From watching the last couple release cycles, I’d expect your local game store would have it before anybody online. IMO most early online “availability” are scalpers who are just going to hold your order and then fulfill it as soon as it becomes ACTUALLY available.

Well I ordered one that had a due date of Jan 3rd, now it just got moved to Feb 3rd.  Very frustrating that RGG cannot provide a reliable source for those of us who prefer the IRL version.
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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2023, 05:35:48 pm »
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Did you order from directly from RGG? I have no idea how their internal operations work, but it seems to me they are a producer first and a storefront second, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they were prioritizing local game stores ahead of their own inventory.

You could probably cancel your order and check your local game store.

EDIT: As an aside, please don’t dog on RGG. They’re not the shipping company. If the shipping company is giving them bad dates there’s nothing they can do about it.
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