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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2022, 03:30:48 am »
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Name: Rancher
Types: Action, Farmer
Price: $1
Text: +1 Buy

While this is in play, when you play a Horse, you first get +1 Card.

I would love to play with this. But even with only the below the line effect, itís potentially incredibly powerful for a Shelter. I realise you need to line it up with the Horses and a Village, but it effectively doubles the effect of every Horse.

You know what? That sounds really cool. Not a criticism, Iím going to upvote right now :)
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2022, 11:42:05 am »
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I have updated and fixed my entry.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2022, 01:28:20 pm by Joxeft »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2022, 12:31:59 pm »
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Alchemy, because someone had to do it.



First of all, when these are used, you are supposed to add a cost pile to the kingdom. I wasn't sure if that should be written on each card or what, so for now I just left it off. Or maybe it's better to say when a cost card is used, there's a random chance these get used too.

Stir helps you get potions.  Booth incentivizes using potions (a bit) and Ingredients does a Philo Stone-esque thing, and offers buys so hopefully you don't have to use your one and only buy on a cheap card like University.

Edit: Switched the colors to match how the shelters work.  Looks like the card generator I was using puts the "primary" color on the botthom and the "secondary" color on the top
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 01:40:28 pm by Chappy7 »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2022, 04:16:08 pm »
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My submission are the Expelled people of Menagerie!


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Martyr - Reaction - Expelled
When you would Exile a non-Martyr card or return a non-Martyr card to the supply, you may Exile this to instead put it into your hand.
Martyr can Exile himself to save a horse, a butterfly, or someone else from Exile.
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Brigand - Action - Expelled
You may put a card you have in Exile into your hand. If you didn't, gain a horse.
The Brigand, can help you leave Exile, or ride away using a horse.
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Warden - Action - Expelled
This turn, when you Exile a card, +1 Card
The warden is a simple guy and just wants to see other people go in Exile.

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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2022, 07:19:59 pm »
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Night Mayor ē $1 ē Night - Citizens
Put your deck into your discard pile.
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Ombudsman ē $1 ē Reaction - Citizens
When a Boon is revealed on your turn, you may trash this from your hand to receive it again.
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Bodygardener ē $1 ē Reaction - Victory ē Citizens
When a hex is revealed, you may trash this from your hand to be unaffected by it.
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EDIT: made a clarity note on the trashing to specify "from your hand"; i'm not going to update the images since that would require firing up photoshop again and who has the time, but please use your imagination to fill in the gaps there.


For Nocturne, naturally. These help exacerbate the good swingyness, when random good things happen to you (boons), and mitigate the bad swingyness (especially painful hexes), or cause more swingyness (such as opening $6* + night mayor enabling a t2 $7 hand when something like Cursed Gold is in the kingdom, from getting Cursed Gold in both opening hands).

As far as interactions, I wanted these to interact with (1) hexes either earned (cursed village) or attacked with (sulk/vampire/werewolf/etc); (2) boons as they spawned - intentionally no interaction with druid, but with lost in the woods, bard, etc; and (3) the edge case of wanting to put your deck in the discard but not wanting to buy a card to do it.

As far as naming, I started with Night Mayor and Ombudsman, two actual titles, and decided on "Citizens" for the type name. Then I remembered this meme and couldn't get the name "bodygardener" out of my head, so that's what the 3rd one is. 50/50 estate and bodyguard.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2022, 10:03:51 am »
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Edit: Renamed Tower and Cauldron to Forlorn Tower and Alchemical Still

My Submissions:
Quote from: Alchemical Still
Alchemical Still
($0 Reaction - Component)
When you gain a Potion, you may
trash this from your hand to gain
a card costing $4 or less.

Quote from: Extract
Extract
($0 Treasure - Component)
[Potion]
+1 Buy
Gain a Curse.
Trash this.

Quote from: Forlorn Tower
Forlorn Tower
($0 Victory - Component)
1VP

When you trash this, you may put
your deck into your discard pile to
look through it and put a Treasure
from it into your hand.



These are to be used with the Alchemy expansion, replacing your starting Estates.

My goal is hopefully that these cards make investing into potions and potion cost cards less awkward.

(I saw Chappy7 made some for Alchemy already. Taking a quick look, they're both different enough that I'm comfortable submitting this as is.)

  • Alchemical Still allows you to gain a potion without missing out on another purchase.
  • Extract is a one-shot potion treasure that allows you to gain a potion cost card in the opening turns. The downside is that it gains you a curse when you use it.
  • Forlorn Tower is an Estate. Keeping it can help you offset the Curse you could gain with Extract. If you manage to trash it, you can discard your deck to put any treasure in your discard to your hand.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 12:15:46 pm by Firestix »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2022, 10:17:02 am »
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My Submissions:

  • Cauldron allows you to gain a potion without missing out on another purchase.
  • Extract is a one-shot potion treasure that allows you to gain a potion cost card in the opening turns. The downside is that it gains you a curse when you use it.
  • Tower is an Estate. Keeping it can help you offset the Curse you could gain with Extract. If you manage to trash it, you can discard your deck to put any treasure in your discard to your hand.

Cauldron and Tower are already the names of official cards/landscapes.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2022, 11:20:47 am »
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Let's try this for promos. If promo cards aren't considered an expansion, I'll withdraw this entry. Until then:

« Last Edit: July 22, 2022, 01:10:24 pm by X-tra »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2022, 11:31:07 am »
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Here is my set for Adventures.



EDIT: I decided to give Signpost the -1 Card token instead of the -$1 token, just to make it a bit more unpredictable and thematic, and because Roadside Inn already interacts with your $.

Old version:
« Last Edit: July 22, 2022, 03:50:22 am by faust »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2022, 12:52:05 am »
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Original entry updated.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2022, 11:22:24 am »
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I love these, but just a small comment. I think the self-trashing Ombudsman and Bodygardener should say that they are being trashed from your hand.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2022, 08:31:49 pm »
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After taking a few minutes to think up some simple cards for Base Shelters I reread the original post and realized that Shelters for the Base set are not allowed in this contest.  Oh well, posting for posterity then:

Dry Moat ē $1 ē Action - Shelter
+2 Cards

Sundial ē $1 ē Treasure - Shelter
$1
+1 buy

Beggar's Feast ē $1 ē Reaction - Shelter
When another player plays an Attack card, you may trash this to gain a Silver

The idea was to keep things as vanilla and simple as possible.  Dry Moat (originally called Henge) from Moat, and is the obvious relative of Necropolis. Sundial is half of Astrolabe, with Woodcutter gone I did want another cheap +buy, and here you do not even need to buy it!   I wanted a nerfed Feast to round it out and settled on a very weak Beggar variant with an air of Overgrown Estate.

Dry Moat and Sundial seriously shake up the initial two hands, with some shuffle luck you can gain a 6 or two 3's with your first hand and then maybe even see those cards on turn 2.  Game-changing and perhaps a bit too luck-dependent, but no more so than some other cards I would say.  I would say they shake up the game no more so than Chapel.  Certainly Dry Moat can become much less important if there is any other draw present, but Sundial may mean that you forgo Market or Festival for another card at times.

Beggar's Feast is the weak card here, presumably it would not stop anyone from wanting to go for an attack since it does not actually stop them, it simply gives the player a slight benefit one time.  And if there are no Attacks, hey, nothing wrong with one card causing just a little Confusion, one more thing that was originally in the pre-release Base Set.

Honorable Mention goes to:

Divided Estate ē $1 ē Victory - Shelter
1/2 VP

Originally I was going to do something cute like "worth 1/N VP, where N is the number of Shelters in your deck", so it rewards you for trashing your other Shelters, and can be a tie-breaker in different contexts, and puns division of estates and in mathematics.  Or simply "Worth 1 VP if the game ends after someone else's turn", to again be a different tie-breaker.  But 1/2 VP just seemed simple, and simple is the way to go with the Base set.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2022, 10:42:07 am »
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Seems like you've hit gold with this challenge. So many great entries!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2022, 05:06:59 pm »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2022, 05:43:06 pm »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2022, 01:46:16 am »
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I'll try to get the judging up later today. In the meantime, here is the list of entries, let me know if I missed any:

Forsaken Manor/Abandoned Church/Old Bridge by AJL828
Passages by NoMoreFun
Hibernation Cave/Remote Lake/Wild Pasture by emtzalex
Cottage/Lodge/Manor by Builder_Roberts
Faerie Tree/Hanging Tree/Shaman by Xen3k
Broker/Stall/Gatehouse by xyz123
Savings/Benefactor/Ancestral Home by 4est
Lakeside/Mountainside/Riverside by Augie279
Flower Stand/Savings/Seaside Shanty by Captain Reklaw
Apiary/Honey/Flower Fields by Dubdubdubdub
Compass/Tavern/Hut by segura
Old Estate/Abandoned Village/Old Barn by Joxeft
Hay Farmer/Animal Trader/Rancher by scott_pilgrim
Stir/Booth/Ingredients by Chappy7
Martyr/Brigand/Warden by Jonasssss
Night Mayor/Ombudsman/Bodygardener by spineflu
Ascetic/Copycat/Novice by X-tra
Alchemical Still/Extract/Forlorn Tower by Firestix
Signpost/Roadside Inn/Empty Cave by faust
Dry Moat/Sundial/Beggar's Feast by gototogo
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2022, 11:25:42 pm »
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So, I decided to try my own hand at this and make starting cards for the set that for reason was ignored... Intrigue!

Cupbearer
Action - Agent - $1
Choose one: +1 Card, +1 Action, +$1 or +1 Buy.

Escape Tunnel
Reaction - Agent - $1
When you trash or discard a card, you may trash this
from your hand to put that card in your hand.

Hidden Estate
Victory - Agent - $3
Worth 1 VP for every 2 card types in your deck, rounded down.





And now, onto the judging.

Forsaken Manor/Abandoned Church/Old Bridge by AJL828
Forsaken Manor looks fun and satisfying to trash. Iím not sure about the other two, though. There arenít that many things that can trigger Abandoned Church, and Old Bridgeís effect is maybe too game-warping for a starting card. Also, I donít think these fit that well with Renaissance. Renaissanceís main themes were Coffers and Villagers, which arenít used at all here.

Passages by NoMoreFun
Oh, wow, these are really different! Basically you can choose whether you want +1 Action, +$1 or +1 Buy at the start of your turn for the rest of the game. Thatís an interesting strategic choice to make. I donít think these work that well as starting cards, though. Getting powerful effects like a guaranteed +1 Action every turn is more fun when you can work up to it instead of getting it right away. These cards also barely end up affecting your deck differently since they git rid of themselves, and then two of them just end up being Estates anyway.

Hibernation Cave/Remote Lake/Wild Pasture by emtzalex
You proved me wrong! Shelters CAN be thematic for something other than Dark Ages. Onto the cards themselves. The most obvious way to get rid of Hibernation Cave is with a HorseÖ oh, and look, Wild Pasture gives you a Horse when you trash it! Very clever! I do worry about the luck-based aspect of this interaction if thereís no other way to gain Horses. But the fact that Horse increases your hand size reduces the luck at least. Remote Lake is very neat. The fact that Exiling is an expansion-specific mechanic is sort of a problem, but still, this is a great use of it. Oh, and Wild Pasture really doesnít need to be a Treasure; I think it would be fine as a pure Shelter type. Still, I think you did a great job with these. I like how simple they are, and they tie in with Menagerieís themes very well.

Cottage/Lodge/Manor by Builder_Roberts
So yeah, since Prosperity is sort of the opposite of Dark Ages, replacing your Estates with $3 cards instead of $1 is an obvious thing to think of. At least, it was obvious to me when I thought of this contest. I like Cottage a lot. Itís something that can sometimes be useful, but that you usually wouldnít want to buy and would often be happy to trash. And itís thematic by being a Treasure, and it helps you hit Prosperityís high price points. Well done. I think Lodge is too easy to get rid of; having the trashing only work on Treasure-gaining was thematic but I agree that it had issues as buying a Silver is boring and often weak, so Iím not sure how I would fix it. And ManorÖ to be honest, I liked the original Manor better. The +VP was very on-theme, while gaining a $7 card feels too good for a starting card.

Faerie Tree/Hanging Tree/Shaman Hut by Xen3k
I donít think it would ever be worth it to hang on to Faerie Tree for the Boons, so that just makes it a more expensive Estate if you can get rid of it. With Hanging Tree, I donít really like the idea of Attack starting cards; I think attacks are something you should have to buy. Shaman Hut is another card that isnít worth hanging on to for the later bonus, so itíll just end up trashing itself immediately, which isnít very interesting. I think overall these are too complicated for starting cards.

Broker/Stall/Gatehouse by xyz123
I like Broker. Itís like Cursed Gold but way less annoying. Cursed Gold takes up a starting Copper so you either have to use it and take a Curse or start with less $. Broker avoids this by replacing an Estate instead, and it only gives you Debt which is always temporary. Stall is definitely the weak link here; I think Iíd prefer something more exciting, though this still somewhat fits thematically because of Forum. Gatehouse is cool; I think if Stall were more interesting it would in turn make Gatehouse even better. The main problem I have with these is their prices; a puny $1 doesnít fit thematically with Empires.

Savings/Benefactor/Ancestral Home by 4est
I feel that Savings sort of negates the purpose of Debt. The whole point of the mechanic is that you have to pay it back later, but Savings says, nope, you kinda donít! I like Benefactor; getting VP for taking on Debt seems fun, though itís unfortunate that it wonít get much use. Ancestral Home, well, I already shared my opinion on Attack starting cards; I donít like them. I think if I could combine this with the previous entry, Broker/Benefactor/Gatehouse would be my ideal starting cards for Empires.

Lakeside/Mountainside/Riverside by Augie279
Lakeside is maybe a bit too complicated, but itís still a cool response to Necropolis. Mountainside is boring and unthematic. Riverside is a good use of the Tavern Mat. Replace Mountainside and you have some decent starting cards for Adventures.

Flower Stand/Savings/Seaside Shanty by CaptainReklaw
Flower Stand and Savings are great; theyíre simple and on-theme (+Buy is maybe not completely a Guilds theme, but it helps you spend your Coffers, which is a Guilds theme). Seaside Shanty offers interesting choices, but I am somewhat worried about the possibility of endless arms races with it. It would be worth it to playtest with it to find the right proportion of Coffers to VP. At least the fact that you only have one of them puts a cap on the power. I would definitely get rid of the -1 VP part and make it a Victory card, though.

Apiary/Honey/Flower Fields by Dubdubdubdub
The main purpose of Apiary besides the +Actions seems to be activating Menagerie, though I suppose it could also help with Harvest. I think it could be more thematic. Honey is worth keeping around if you really want deck diversity, but I donít think itís worth it if youíre trying to get the $, since itís just a crummy Silver. Maybe it should give +$3 instead. Flower Fields is good. I like the basic idea of these, but Apiary and Honey need some work.

Compass/Tavern/Hut by segura
Compass and Tavern are great, being simple and on-theme. As you said yourself, Hut is the crazy one. I do like the general idea of being able to rotate piles. But being able to block someone from gaining a card in the beginning seems really annoying. I think itís probably too wacky for a starting card.

Old Estate/Abandoned Village/Old Barn by Joxeft
The main problem with these is that theyíre not thematic to Menagerie. Old Barn has Exiling, which is thematic, but then it also has VP tokens, which is not a Menagerie mechanic. I think Old Barn could work if the VP part is dropped. The others need changes to fit in better with the set.

Hay Farmer/Animal Trader/Rancher by scott_pilgrim
Rancher is too strong; getting an extra lab from every Horse you play seems totally bonkers to me. Hay Farmer and Animal Trader are cool. I like how Hay Farmer encourages you to keep Animal Trader around until youíve saved up some Horses. If there are other ways to gain Horses though, I suspect the correct move is to go ahead and trash Animal Trader immediately, which is boring. I would try to fix this.

Stir/Booth/Ingredients by Chappy7
Stir: yes, yes! Finally a way to make Potion costs less awkward. Ingredients also makes Potion costs less awkward by providing +Buy, which is nice. I think it could be simplified, though. Iím not sure about Booth. I think it will just end up being the same as Vineyard. After all, the only non-Action Potion-cost cards are Vineyard itself and Philosopherís Stone. What if it instead gave you VP for each differently named Treasure in your deck? That would be another way to encourage people to get Potions.

Martyr/Brigand/Warden by Jonasssss
OK, so at first glance, I thought maybe these were too complicated for starting cards. But then, after looking at them some more, I really like all the subtle interactions between them. I donít think any of them are too strong; youíll still want to trash them a lot of the time. Overall, I think these would give a different, fun experience.

Night Mayor/Ombudsman/Bodygardener by spineflu
I like the general idea of these. Night Mayor gives a good Night ability thatís weak but still useful, though I worry about the advantage it gives to the player who draws it on turn 1 instead of turn 2. Ombudsman and Bodygardener will mitigate the annoying part of Boons/Hexes while offering interesting choices. The main problem is that Boons and Hexes both have to be present in the game (not likely in full random) if both want to avoid feeling sad. I don't know if there's a simple way to address these problems.

Alchemical Still/Extract/Forlorn Tower by Firestix
Alchemical Still and Forlorn Tower are good Alchemy versions of Hovel and Overgrown Estate. I also like Extract; itís there for you if you want that one Transmute. I donít think these should be $0, though, theyíre all clearly worth more than that. Other than that, I like them.

Ascetic/Copycat/Novice by X-tra
Oh, wow, I didnít even think of somebody trying to do this for the promos! Props for trying something totally crazy. Obviously, the first issue that comes up is, what is the ďthemeĒ of the promos? Well I guess if there is a theme, itís adding more cards to the game, so adding another pile of cards to the Kingdom works for that. I like the way Copycat and Novice work in general, and Noviceís Reaction fits well since two of the Promos can give you Golds (Governor and Dismantle). The one I donít get is Ascetic. How does punishing you for having $5 cards fit with the Promos, especially since the additional pile youíre adding is $5 cards?

Signpost/Roadside Inn/Empty Cave by Faust
Signpost is basically the opposite of Overgrown Estate. Overgrown Estate is worth nothing and rewards you for trashing it; Signpost is worth something and punishes you for trashing it. Could be annoying. Interesting idea though. I like Roadside Inn a lot; it gives you a way to get rid of it for a price, but then it uses the Tavern Mat to potentially come back and be useful. Empty Cave is also very nice; Events are in more than one set so it will get a fair amount of use. A lot of cheap Events already come with +Buy, but there are still some that feel like they need this so this is a good idea I think.

Dry Moat/Sundial/Beggarís Feast by gototogo
So, the reason I excluded the Base set is because the Base set is all about simplicity, and nothing is simpler than 3 Estates. Still, Iíll give my opinion of these. Dry Moat and Sundial change your opening $ in a huge way, which I donít think fits well in the Base set. As far as I know, the first card that changed your opening $ was Baker, which wasnít introduced until Guilds. These cards, though, change your opening $ even more than Baker. In fact, they give such large amounts of $ that they probably break the gameís balance. Definitely not a good fit for Base. Beggarís Feast is more along the lines of what Iíd expect for base starting cards. I like the fact that you kept these simple, but I think two of them definitely donít work as starting cards for Base.

Honorable Mentions: Broker/Stall/Gatehouse by xyz123, Flower Stand/Savings/Seaside Shanty by CaptainReklaw, Compass/Tavern/Hut by segura, Martyr/Brigand/Warden by Jonasssss, Alchemical Still/Extract/Forlorn Tower by Firestix

Runner-up: Signpost/Roadside Inn/Empty Cave by faust

Winner: Hibernation Cave/Remote Lake/Wild Pasture by emtzalex
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2022, 11:29:02 pm »
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Dang, really thought I had that one... shows what I know about changing the last card. Good contest.

Congrats to emtzalex!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2022, 11:49:50 pm »
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Fantastic contest prompt and great comments, Commodore Chuckles! 
 
One small note on Savings in response to your feedback:

Savings/Benefactor/Ancestral Home by 4est
I feel that Savings sort of negates the purpose of Debt. The whole point of the mechanic is that you have to pay it back later, but Savings says, nope, you kinda donít!

In most cases, Savings actually only works if you're paying off Debt on subsequent turns. If you have no Debt when you play it, it does nothing, and doesn't help pay for any Debt you incur that turn (e.g. play Savings, buy Overlord, you still get 8 Debt and Savings doesn't help you since you played it before getting Debt). You have to have Debt for next turn and then Savings helps you pay it off (it's a real life lesson in personal finance where uh you shouldn't spend your savings unless you're in Debt.

Anyway, congrats to emtzalex!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #158: What Happened To My Estates?!
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2022, 12:00:17 am »
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Hibernation Cave/Remote Lake/Wild Pasture by emtzalex
You proved me wrong! Shelters CAN be thematic for something other than Dark Ages. Onto the cards themselves. The most obvious way to get rid of Hibernation Cave is with a HorseÖ oh, and look, Wild Pasture gives you a Horse when you trash it! Very clever! I do worry about the luck-based aspect of this interaction if thereís no other way to gain Horses. But the fact that Horse increases your hand size reduces the luck at least. Remote Lake is very neat. The fact that Exiling is an expansion-specific mechanic is sort of a problem, but still, this is a great use of it. Oh, and Wild Pasture really doesnít need to be a Treasure; I think it would be fine as a pure Shelter type. Still, I think you did a great job with these. I like how simple they are, and they tie in with Menagerieís themes very well.
Winner: Hibernation Cave/Remote Lake/Wild Pasture by emtzalex

Thanks, Commodore Chuckles, for the judging and the win. I'll try to have the next contest up later tonight (forum time).
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Thanks to Shard of Honor for his Extended Version of the Dominion Card Image Generator, which I use to mock up my fan cards, and to Violet CLM, who made the original.
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