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The highest Plateau
« on: June 09, 2022, 11:13:48 pm »
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Challenge 1: Find the highest possible score from Plateau Shepherds.

Challenge 2: Receive over 100 points from Plateau Shepherds in the fewest turns

Challenge 3: Receive over 200 points from Plateau Shepherds in the fewest turns

Rules:
* No Black Market
* You can assume perfect shuffle luck for hypotheticals (or try this challenge for yourself)
* No removed 1E cards (No Ambassador)
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2022, 08:11:25 am »
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In multiplayer games, I get the highest number for challenge 1 with the following kingdom:

Card                   Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)

Imp gainer          13
Pixie                   11
Tracker               11
Bauble                10 (+any number of Favors)
6 other $2 cards: 60
Estates:              15
                         -------------
                         120 $2 cards, for 240 VP
« Last Edit: June 14, 2022, 08:14:44 am by Holger »
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2022, 09:22:19 am »
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In multiplayer games, I get the highest number for challenge 1 with the following kingdom:

Card                   Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)

Imp gainer          13
Pixie                   11
Tracker               11
Bauble                10 (+any number of Favors)
6 other $2 cards: 60
Estates:              15
                         -------------
                         120 $2 cards, for 240 VP
With Inheritance and Lurker (as one of the $2 cards) you can gain everyone else's Estates out of the trash, for another 9.
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2022, 06:29:59 pm »
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lurker can get you another 15 in 6 player games, rather than just 9 from 4 player games.

Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.

Masquerade is another way to get the estates from another player, and get the 3 heirlooms. loosing the 9 from lurker (one into the BM deck), that gives an additional 6 cards or 12 vp. Of course, linked cards in the BM deck.

Why are pixie and tracker 11 in the math? Assuming thatís right, 164 cards and 328vp.
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2022, 08:33:28 am »
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lurker can get you another 15 in 6 player games, rather than just 9 from 4 player games.

Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.

Masquerade is another way to get the estates from another player, and get the 3 heirlooms. loosing the 9 from lurker (one into the BM deck), that gives an additional 6 cards or 12 vp. Of course, linked cards in the BM deck.

Why are pixie and tracker 11 in the math? Assuming thatís right, 164 cards and 328vp.

Black Market is not allowed according to the OP. ;-)

Both Pixie and Tracker are a pile of 10 $2 kingdom cards plus a $2 heirloom, so 11 $2 cards each.

Masquerade could indeed give you another 5 Pouches and Goats each in 6p-games, but without BM you lose a 10-card $2 pile, so it doesn't change the total VP you can get.
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2022, 12:10:46 pm »
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Masquerade could indeed give you another 5 Pouches and Goats each in 6p-games, but without BM you lose a 10-card $2 pile, so it doesn't change the total VP you can get.

Couldn't you play Masquerade via Way of the Mouse?
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2022, 09:18:27 pm »
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Oh, thatís my bad. Assuming there isnít another landscape required, yes masquerade could come from WotM, giving 145 cards or 290vp.

If black market were aloud with WotM, it would make it 173 and 346
« Last Edit: October 02, 2022, 09:49:05 pm by IlstrawberrySeed »
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2022, 02:13:57 pm »
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Additionally, black market can add some. There are 53 2-cost cards, but 6 are events or heirlooms, so 47. With the 1 imp gainer, you have 39 2-cost cards eligible for BM, making black market an increase of 29 cards or 58vp.

BTW, are there really 47 2-cost kingdom cards? http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Dominion_Card_Glicko only mentions 41 as of 2020 (42 "0-2 cost cards" minus Poor House). Since then, Allies has added 3 new $2 cards, but the 2E's of seaside and Hinterlands have removed another 3 $2 cards (replacing them with more expensive cards), so the total number should remain 41, not 47.

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There's also the non-kingdom card Bat at $2, which you could get from a Black Market Vampire.

So if you allow Black Market as Way of the Mouse and put Masquerade, Shepherd (for the 3rd $2 Heirloom Pasture), Young Witch, the Imp gainer, Vampire and all other $2 kingdom cards into the BM deck, you could get

Card                   Number of $2 cards (including starting cards)

Bauble                    10 (+any number of Favors)
10 other $2 cards: 100 (including Pixie, Tracker)
Estates                   30 (12+6*3)
Imp                        13
Heirlooms               18 (6*3)
BM deck                 31 (41 - 11 $2 kingdom cards +Bat)
                         -------------
                           202  $2 cards, for 404 VP
« Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 09:51:24 am by Holger »
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2022, 11:11:56 pm »
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Dominion strategy lists 53 2 cost cards and card shaped things I may have missed a few events, but I tried to subtract the events and heirlooms. I forgot about estates, but still only count 7 2 costs not directly available through the BM or the Supply. Do note that at least 2 of these are in split piles, but that doesn’t matter for BM

Exchanging doesn’t work with cards in the BM, so vampire must be in the supply. Also, imp gainers in the BM can get more than 1, despite only counting 1 in my math.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2022, 12:57:29 pm by IlstrawberrySeed »
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2022, 05:37:32 pm »
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Dominion strategy lists 53 2 cost cards and card shaped things I may have missed a few events, but I tried to subtract the events and heirlooms. I forgot about estates, but still only count 7 2 costs not directly available through the BM or the Supply. Do note that at least 2 of these are in split piles, but that doesnít matter for BM

Exchanging doesnít work with cards in the BM, so vampire must be in the supply. Also, imp gainers in the BM can get more than 1, despite only counting 1 in my math.

There are 7 $2 Events, 3 $2 Heirlooms, Bat, Estate - subtracting those from 53 gives 41.

You're right about Vampire not exchanging from the BM. Fortunately, swapping Vampire with a $2 kingdom card doesn't change the total number of $2 cards, which remains at 202 by my count.
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Re: The highest Plateau
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2022, 07:24:38 pm »
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Likely, Iím missing the events. My bad, and good work.
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