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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #300 on: July 20, 2022, 01:58:17 pm »

It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.

It's also a bad idea to focus on town players.

It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.
Who's focusing on active players?  Is this an announcement to the crowd about strategic behavior, or a stone cast at a particular player?
I'm mostly annoyed at people on the joth wagon, and Eddie.

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At least you can take solace in the fact that I am also annoyed with the joth wagon.

And once EFHW flips town I'll be annoyed with myself.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #301 on: July 20, 2022, 02:07:46 pm »

EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be
I have to comment because this is just so nonsensical to me.

First of all, like, how would you even go about avoiding being the first person on a wagon? Just like, never vote for someone that doesn't already have votes on them? Or be clairvoyant and know which votes will be sheeped by other players?

And second, um.... no. First person is pretty much the best position on a wagon for scum to be at. It doesn't happen all that often because it requires you as scum to actually convince townies to follow your lead, and that's hard, but I see no sensible reason why scum would try to avoid it.

On the plus side, joth has taken a completely outragous position, so that makes me more confident in his tonwieness.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #302 on: July 20, 2022, 02:12:41 pm »

The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

I’m expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #303 on: July 20, 2022, 02:21:00 pm »

inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.

Technically I disparaged my own case twice in this post. Hence, "repeatedly" is technically correct.

Oh, I thought the first part was sarcastic. Is that the right word here? Whatever.
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« Reply #304 on: July 20, 2022, 02:22:34 pm »

EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be
I have to comment because this is just so nonsensical to me.

First of all, like, how would you even go about avoiding being the first person on a wagon? Just like, never vote for someone that doesn't already have votes on them? Or be clairvoyant and know which votes will be sheeped by other players?

And second, um.... no. First person is pretty much the best position on a wagon for scum to be at. It doesn't happen all that often because it requires you as scum to actually convince townies to follow your lead, and that's hard, but I see no sensible reason why scum would try to avoid it.

On the plus side, joth has taken a completely outragous position, so that makes me more confident in his tonwieness.

Ok, you have some fair points here. But I think the starter of the wagon is too high-visibility. When people are doing wagon analysis, the person who started the wagon gets scrutinized pretty hard, along with the hammer vote. But, like, you're right that the starter of a wagon doesn't know they're starting a wagon so scum doesn't have much choice about it.

None of that changes that EFHW's vote strikes me as earnest. Not saying EFHW couldn't be scum, just saying there's better options.
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« Reply #305 on: July 20, 2022, 02:23:02 pm »

The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

I’m expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
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« Reply #306 on: July 20, 2022, 02:36:33 pm »

The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

I’m expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.

I absolutely shouldn't weigh in here, but it's 100% a fan. When is the first wagon ever actually the day's exile?
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #307 on: July 20, 2022, 02:38:17 pm »

The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

I’m expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
Eddie sheeping you? That's hilarious. Eddie has been pushing for EFHW and Jimmmmm all game, if anyone is sheeping here it's you.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #308 on: July 20, 2022, 02:39:35 pm »

I absolutely shouldn't weigh in here, but it's 100% a fan. When is the first wagon ever actually the day's exile?
IDK, feels like there's about 50% of D1s that never actually produce more than 1 or 2 wagons.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #309 on: July 20, 2022, 02:40:12 pm »

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #310 on: July 20, 2022, 03:37:30 pm »

Why not gkrieg? Pretty lurky but there’s also a case there. Something for everyone.
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« Reply #311 on: July 20, 2022, 03:43:16 pm »

Why not gkrieg? Pretty lurky but there’s also a case there. Something for everyone.
I have a history with gkrieg and I hope to get over it at some point.

There's also a case for Jack btw.
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« Reply #312 on: July 20, 2022, 03:57:08 pm »

Tell me more!
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #313 on: July 20, 2022, 04:23:32 pm »

There's always a case for Jack, to be fair. I have no confidence in my ability to make reads and therefore very rarely make them.
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« Reply #314 on: July 20, 2022, 04:29:03 pm »

The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

I’m expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
Eddie sheeping you? That's hilarious. Eddie has been pushing for EFHW and Jimmmmm all game, if anyone is sheeping here it's you.

Buddy. I meant buddy. Oops.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #315 on: July 20, 2022, 04:33:36 pm »

I’ve called you scummy twice now.

I can do it a third time if it makes you happy.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #316 on: July 20, 2022, 04:35:18 pm »

Are you sure you didn’t mean a third word?
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« Reply #317 on: July 20, 2022, 04:44:02 pm »

Tell me more!
I mean, you can look at the 4 (now 5) posts that Jack has made this game yourself.

Greetings!

Vote: Faust
Welcome + RVS vote

I've been celebrating my nephew's birthday. There was pizza and ice-cream.
Fluff

I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
Theory talk

These three are pretty much the most textbook opening posts to a mafia game you can imagine. Things to fall back on when you struggle to contribute. And scum would feel more pressure on that front.

Lots of discussion happened while I was asleep. Let's poke a fellow lurker to see what gives.

Vote: WCD
Then this. I feel you either think lurking is bad and vote-worthy, and then you don't want to do it, or you think it's no big deal and then you wouldn't go after lurkers yourself. Jack is trying to have it both ways, and that just reads as a clumsy attempt to deflect away from himself to me.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #318 on: July 20, 2022, 04:47:29 pm »

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #319 on: July 20, 2022, 04:59:45 pm »

Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
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« Reply #320 on: July 20, 2022, 05:01:36 pm »

vote: Jimmmmm
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« Reply #321 on: July 20, 2022, 05:02:43 pm »

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack

Wait, you don't think Jack is scum?
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #322 on: July 20, 2022, 05:11:57 pm »

vote: Jimmmmm

Woah, now you’re just trying to confuse me.

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack

Wait, you don't think Jack is scum?

Not particularly.

He’s scummier than Joth!

That’s something.
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Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
« Reply #323 on: July 20, 2022, 06:03:57 pm »

Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
I'm still not convinced joth is towny, but whatever. If he's not the best exile option for today, then we need to find someone else
I don't think I've played with Jack before, is this more like a town or scum! Jack?
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« Reply #324 on: July 20, 2022, 06:28:02 pm »

Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles

I think scum is far more likely to make this argument than Town.

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