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[Jack Rudd]

I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

[jotheonah]

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

[faust]

But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful.

This is a weird take from faust, who IIRC believes that vigilantes are negative utility.

You do not remember correctly.

However, even if I were to agree that vigs are negative utility (which is a dumb take), then it would still be the case that the vig is also a Named Townie, which is a positive utility role.

[faust]

I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

I hadn't thought of exiles being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

[faust]

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

[jotheonah]

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.

[jotheonah]

Remember, scum daychat is in discord now, which kind of changes a lot about expectations. Many people have their discords set up to give them notifications that they can get on their phones and on their computers. A scary amount of coordination is now possible.

[jotheonah]

You're really going to make me trawl through old posts to find out that I was wrong about your take on vigs?

Ok.

[jotheonah]

Yeah I should never trust my memory. Some of y'all have been vocal about vigs being negative utility, and I must have just ascribed it to faust because he and I tend to disagree dramatically on mafia theory. My bad.

[MiX]

It must've been ash that was against them, then. He's one of the people that would make an impression with their opinion.

So 1/3rd of town is a bad exile, and 1/4th of players are probably willing to claim PR to get away with being D1'd? So about half the players are "bad exiles", quote unquote? And half of those players are good exiles...

I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.


Well, that was a good topic, faust. I was thinking this game needed some setup talk, but wasn't quite sure how to start it.

Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!

Also, joth is town.

[faust]

I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.

What does that even mean? How oes it affect your play?

[Joseph2302]

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

Obviously people have overly high expectations of my game play ability. Also, not necessarily defending faust, just pointing out that it does make a vig better if they have info

[Joseph2302]

Remember, scum daychat is in discord now, which kind of changes a lot about expectations. Many people have their discords set up to give them notifications that they can get on their phones and on their computers. A scary amount of coordination is now possible.

For the record, I don't have Discord set up this way, as I don't need Discord notifications for everything

[Joseph2302]

It must've been ash that was against them, then. He's one of the people that would make an impression with their opinion.

So 1/3rd of town is a bad exile, and 1/4th of players are probably willing to claim PR to get away with being D1'd? So about half the players are "bad exiles", quote unquote? And half of those players are good exiles...

I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.


Well, that was a good topic, faust. I was thinking this game needed some setup talk, but wasn't quite sure how to start it.

Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!

Also, joth is town.

Yep, let's all mass claim, that seems sensible....

[jotheonah]

inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.

[EFHW]

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.

But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.

[Jimmmmm]

I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.

[EFHW]

The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.

[EFHW]

I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.

Right. Funny how this conversation is all based on joth incorrectly attributing the negative utility idea to faust. Actually, scumreading faust for seeming to value the vig is striking me as scummy. Even if he had said something about vigs being negative utility in the past, it's strange to expect him to be so consistent that he would say outing the vig is fine in this game.

vote: joth

[EFHW]

I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

I hadn't thought of exiles being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

Are you just being snarky, or do you have an inference to make from what Jack said?

[Uncleeurope]

The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.

Uhhh, howso?

[Uncleeurope]

Is EFHW bad again? I don’t have a lot of confidence yet, but I’m having deja vu.

[EFHW]

The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.

Uhhh, howso?

Because the scum team has divided attention. Now that you ask me though, I guess this applies more to neighborhoods with daychat. I mean, do we want scum to post?

[EFHW]

Is EFHW bad again? I don’t have a lot of confidence yet, but I’m having deja vu.

And I thought I had been rehabilitated!

[jotheonah]

I actually research my posts when I’m scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.