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Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« on: March 10, 2022, 08:57:12 pm »
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For the week 31 challenge we are going to be using a mechanic designed by gambit05 that I pulled from the very helpful Atlas of Fan Card Mechanics: Carts.


 
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Cart - $3*
Action
+2 Actions
+$2
+1 Card per empty pile.
Return this to its pile.
(This is not in the Supply.)
Here is the explanation.
This is a one-shot non-Supply card like Horse. Notable differences
are that the strength of Cart depends on the number of empty piles
(note: any piles, not only Supply piles) and that the number of
cards in the Cart pile is more limited, i.e. 8 for 2 players and 2
more for each additional player.

Edit: An additional quote from the original post.
Please note that for both versions, all empty piles (not only Supply piles) count for an upgrade of Cart. While there is no official card that has such an instruction as far as I am aware of, piles should be defined as being set up at the start of the game (or if a Fan-made or future official card would allow to form a pile later in the game, it should define it as such). All cards of a non-Supply pile are labeled with “(This is not in the Supply.)” and I think no other cards (e.g. Heirlooms, Shelters, Zombies) that are not part of a non-Supply pile have this note. An exception is the Black Market deck for obvious reasons. It is defined as a “deck” by the card’s set-up instructions. In relation to Cart, I count it as a pile, though in practice that should be rarely relevant anyway.
I will be interpreting this as  meaning that landscape cards such as Artifacts and States are not considered piles that can be depleted and power up Cart. /End of Edit

Examples from the original post
   

Glass Slipper
$3 - Action
Quote

+2 Cards

             You may discard a card             
to gain a Cart.

Hector
$3 – Action
Quote
+$2

If one or more piles are
empty, gain a Cart.
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When you gain this, if no
             pile is empty, +1 Villager.             
Sleepy Hollow
$4 – Action – Attack - Looter
Quote

Gain a Cart.
 
Each other player may
             discard a Cart to draw a             
card. If they don’t, they
gain a Ruins.


Please have a look at the original post for additional examples.

The challenge is simple; design a card shaped thing to interact with Carts. All official mechanics (including from Allies) and fan mechanics are fair game. As before I will be judging based on my own preferences, but I will try to be as fair as I can. Factors I try to look at are simplicity of design, thought provoking design/mechanics, flavorful name/concept, and balance/playability.

I will be giving a 24 hour warning a week from yesterday and then close it the following day. Ideally I will have judging done and posted by the end of Friday next week. I look forward to seeing what you call come up with! Have fun!
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 12:24:46 pm by Xen3k »
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2022, 09:55:30 pm »
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 12:16:11 am »
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My Submission:


Quote from: Advocatus
Advocatus • $5 • Action
+3 Cards
Choose one: +1 Buy; or you may discard an Action card to gain a Cart.


Advocatus is a terminal draw card that can also gives the player the opportunity to gain an extra card, either with +Buy or by discarding an Action to gain a Cart. The second option can mitigate some of the pain of a terminal collision, and (hopefully) provide a source of +Actions for the subsequent play of Advocatus.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 02:02:54 am »
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Garbage day $3
Event
You may trash an card in play
Trash an action card from the suply
+1 buy
Gain an cart
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 03:46:45 am »
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 08:32:42 am »
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Redacted entry: not my entry anymore, way too much text tbh.



Get a ton of cards with this packrat! First you can play a card with it, and then you later get some draw with a horse, some actions with the cart and some money too! This clogs your deck of course, But if you happen to get one of those in your hand with this, you can play that non-supply card again! And if you happen to have travellers or spirits in the mix, well, this whole kingdom can explode.

- Wanted to make a card that just creates a lot of non supply cards: seems like a fun idea.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 09:50:45 am »
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Are States and Artifacts part of non-supply piles?  If, for instance, someone takes “Lost in the Woods”, does that power up Carts?
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 12:20:04 pm »
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Are States and Artifacts part of non-supply piles?  If, for instance, someone takes “Lost in the Woods”, does that power up Carts?

Good question, and this is what I got from the original post from gambit 05.

Please note that for both versions, all empty piles (not only Supply piles) count for an upgrade of Cart. While there is no official card that has such an instruction as far as I am aware of, piles should be defined as being set up at the start of the game (or if a Fan-made or future official card would allow to form a pile later in the game, it should define it as such). All cards of a non-Supply pile are labeled with “(This is not in the Supply.)” and I think no other cards (e.g. Heirlooms, Shelters, Zombies) that are not part of a non-Supply pile have this note. An exception is the Black Market deck for obvious reasons. It is defined as a “deck” by the card’s set-up instructions. In relation to Cart, I count it as a pile, though in practice that should be rarely relevant anyway.

So, from what it says, Landscape cards are not considered a pile. I will add this to the original post.

Edit: It is not very clear, but that is the interpretation I am going with.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 12:22:19 pm by Xen3k »
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2022, 02:19:22 pm »
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EDIT: Revised wording


Original:
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2022, 02:38:20 pm »
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Is it intended for you to gain a Cart anyway? So, why put it conditionally?
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2022, 04:35:29 pm »
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Is it intended for you to gain a Cart anyway? So, why put it conditionally?

Oh yeah, good point.  You always get a Cart. It should just say "Gain a cart." I'll fix it later
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2022, 05:28:06 pm »
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Is it intended for you to gain a Cart anyway? So, why put it conditionally?

Oh yeah, good point.  You always get a Cart. It should just say "Gain a cart." I'll fix it later

Technically, there is a way to not gain a Cart.

1. Get exactly cost reduction.
2. Gain a card that costs (after cost reduction).
3. Play Farrier and gain a Wayfarer (which currently costs ).
4. Use Architects' Guild to gain a Skulk off of gaining the Wayfarer.
5. Gain Gold from Skulk's on-gain.
^ All of this occurs as part of resolving Farrier's "gain a card costing up to " instruction.
6. Wayfarer now costs , so Farrier does not gain a Cart.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2022, 05:51:30 pm »
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Is it intended for you to gain a Cart anyway? So, why put it conditionally?

Oh yeah, good point.  You always get a Cart. It should just say "Gain a cart." I'll fix it later

Technically, there is a way to not gain a Cart.

1. Get exactly cost reduction.
2. Gain a card that costs (after cost reduction).
3. Play Farrier and gain a Wayfarer (which currently costs ).
4. Use Architects' Guild to gain a Skulk off of gaining the Wayfarer.
5. Gain Gold from Skulk's on-gain.
^ All of this occurs as part of resolving Farrier's "gain a card costing up to " instruction.
6. Wayfarer now costs , so Farrier does not gain a Cart.

Along these lines, you could also react with a Sheepdog, play it using Way of the Mouse, and play a set aside Leprechaun (then take a Hex that doesn't cause you to gain something cheaper); Smugglers (so long as your opponent gained a sufficiently expensive card on their previous turn); Black Market; Fool/Druid/Tracker (if you get the Sky's Gift and discard), Develop; Herb Gatherer (playing Sunken Treasure or Horn of Plenty); Vassal (which then plays something that gains you a $5+ card), Workshop (gaining a Skulk); Swindler; or any trasher (Chapel, Forager, Scrap) (trashing Lich and gaining a $5 card from it.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2022, 02:39:03 am »
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Roadway
Action - $5
Gain a Cart.
Gain a card costing less than this. You may put it in your hand. If you did, each other player gains a copy of that card.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2022, 03:51:53 am »
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New entry: Wanted a simpler card, and wanted to make an ally.
going with v1 since people seem to like that beter


Tiny edit: corrected grammar in tite
Gaining extra actions with favors seemed like a niche that wasnt filled in this expansion. Since extra actions AND money is very good, i made it cost 2 favors. Might still be too good. maybe it should be topdecked or put in the discard pile?

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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2022, 08:50:59 am »
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New entry: Wanted a simpler card, and wanted to make an ally.



Gaining extra actions with favors seemed like a niche that wasnt filled in this expansion. Since extra actions AND money is very good, i made it cost 2 favors. Might still be too good. maybe it should be topdecked or put in the discard pile?

Should the correct terminology here be "gain a Cart to your hand"?

I would consider making it cost 3 Favors.  That way, players wouldn't be able to open with two $5-cost cards in games with Importer.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2022, 01:58:29 pm »
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Are States and Artifacts part of non-supply piles?  If, for instance, someone takes “Lost in the Woods”, does that power up Carts?

No. They are not part of a pile.

Nice to see that you are all using one of my mechanics. Have fun.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2022, 07:21:44 pm »
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Redacted entry: not my entry anymore, way too much text tbh.



Get a ton of cards with this packrat! First you can play a card with it, and then you later get some draw with a horse, some actions with the cart and some money too! This clogs your deck of course, But if you happen to get one of those in your hand with this, you can play that non-supply card again! And if you happen to have travellers or spirits in the mix, well, this whole kingdom can explode.

- Wanted to make a card that just creates a lot of non supply cards: seems like a fun idea.

My recommended wording:
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You may play an Action or Treasure from your hand. If it's from a Supply pile, gain a Horse, a Spoils, and a Cart. Otherwise, play it again and then return it to its pile.
It doesn't work the way you intend as you worded it, because the Action or Treasure you play is never in the Supply; it's in play. Its pile is in the Supply and copies of it are in the Supply (assuming the pile isn't empty), but the card itself is not in the Supply.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2022, 08:33:04 pm »
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Salt Merchant • $5 • Action - Attack
Trash an Action from the Supply.
Each other player discards a copy of it from their hand (or reveals they can't).
For each additional type it has, gain a Cart.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2022, 08:39:31 pm »
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My recommended wording:
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You may play an Action or Treasure from your hand. If it's from a Supply pile, gain a Horse, a Spoils, and a Cart. Otherwise, play it again and then return it to its pile.

I think this wording maybe would be a bit confusing, because of the different temporal instances of the two words "from". The first "from" means where the card imediatelly came from (the hand) and the second where it came from the first time it was gained (the supply). Sounds a bit weird, "play from your hand"... "if it's from supply...".

Edit: another question: what would you do if the card originally came from Black Market deck? Could we call it "pile"?

Edit 2: Anyway, these are just retoric questions, since fika monster  already changed their entry.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2022, 03:48:45 am »
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Salt Merchant • $5 • Action - Attack
Trash an Action from the Supply.
Each other player discards a copy of it from their hand (or reveals they can't).
For each additional type it has, gain a Cart.

interesting card: how come it costs 5$ and not 4$?

Im not sure why, but it feels like it lacking something. can't pinpoint it.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2022, 03:49:31 am »
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My recommended wording:
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You may play an Action or Treasure from your hand. If it's from a Supply pile, gain a Horse, a Spoils, and a Cart. Otherwise, play it again and then return it to its pile.

I think this wording maybe would be a bit confusing, because of the different temporal instances of the two words "from". The first "from" means where the card imediatelly came from (the hand) and the second where it came from the first time it was gained (the supply). Sounds a bit weird, "play from your hand"... "if it's from supply...".

Edit: another question: what would you do if the card originally came from Black Market deck? Could we call it "pile"?

Edit 2: Anyway, these are just retoric questions, since fika monster  already changed their entry.

Good questions. on edit 2: sorry, yeah i changed it. it just didnt feel good. way to *packed* with words for little effect.
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2022, 03:52:54 am »
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New entry: Wanted a simpler card, and wanted to make an ally.



Gaining extra actions with favors seemed like a niche that wasnt filled in this expansion. Since extra actions AND money is very good, i made it cost 2 favors. Might still be too good. maybe it should be topdecked or put in the discard pile?

v2:

decided im Going with v1
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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2022, 06:39:11 pm »
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<Cart's Men Guild v2>
(Personally, I thought it was fine costing 2 favors. There are already some allies with very strong effects for 1 or 2 favors.)
Also, I think the name should be Cartmen's Guild?  Cart's Men Guild sounds weird.

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Re: Fan Card Mechanics Week 31: Putting The Cart Before...
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2022, 05:43:19 pm »
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24 HOUR WARNING

These are the entries I have right now.

Augie279 - Sweets Shop
emtzalex - Advocatus
lompeluiten - Garbage Day
Carline - Cart Renew
Timinou - Farrier
NoMoreFun - Roadway
spineflu - Salt Merchant
fika monster - Cartmen's Guild
Joxeft - Way of the Workhorse

Please let me know if I missed anyone.

Edit: added Way of the Workhorse.

Edit 2: Going with V1 for fika monsters entry.
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